Posts by abiather

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JWs Writers deserve to be in THE GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS!

by abiather in

how many mistakes one can make in understanding a simple statement of jesus?

take one sample statement:.

i say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with abraham, isaac and jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

abiather

How many mistakes one can make in understanding a simple statement of Jesus? Take one sample statement:

“I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Mathew 8:11, 12)

1) Jesus declares: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will inherit kingdom of HEAVEN.
JWs declare: They will not, because they belong to pre-Christian period. (Contrast Hebrews 11:16)

2) Jesus declares: MANY will come from THE EAST and THE WEST and will inherit kingdom of HEAVEN
JWs declare: They will not, because the people of the East are pagan, and if at all they were converted by Christendom, they were only made into the part of the Babylon the Great, hence double worthy of Gehenna. And people of the West are mostly materialistic and part of Christendom, and they too are part of Babylon the Great. The expression “MANY” is wrong, because a few “Anointed Ones” who support the GB will only inherit heaven!

3) Jesus declares: “subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside” on the basis of principle he stated later in Mathew 21:43
JWs declare: Subjects of the kingdom will NOT be thrown outside.

In the same vein of thought, one may ask them:
Will saints like Mother Theresa inherit heaven? Jesus will say: “Of course, and ABSOLUTELY. And if she will not inherit heaven, then who else will?” Because Jesus had already declared: “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.” (Mathew 21:31; Compare Luke 19:1-10)

If you ask the same question (regarding Mother Theresa) to JWs, you will hear a most cruel answer from them. I have heard it even from their Elite class: Gilead Missionaries!

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Governing Body Running Scarred and 12-13-14 "Might Be the End"?

by RottenRiley in

this went bad, i hit click before i could post my thoughts about the fear factor going through our crazy kingdom hall.

the title of this thread was aimed at asking why the governing body is becoming so afraid and demanding the elders and rank and file to put their trust in the dukes of the kingdom hall.

(pslams 146:3).. .

abiather

GB knew that people would look at 2014 with so much of groaning and pain, hence diversion is the key!

Thus, they effectively diverted their flock’s attention (from frustration of not seeing end after waiting for so long from 1914) into a burning thought of IMMINENT end—A phrase they have been using from their very inception.

For this, they have the support of 1 Corinthians 10:11 which implied end would come in the FIRST CENTURY itself: “These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.”

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Drug overdose causes death of Union Ministers wife!

by abiather in

jw
friends

1) medicine, if taken carelessly, can kill a person!

this came to the light because the one died was a wife of union minister, who was an under-secretary in un before.

this can happen, because it was over-dosage.

abiather

Prevention is BETTER than main-stream and alternative medicine!

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Governing Body Running Scarred and 12-13-14 "Might Be the End"?

by RottenRiley in

this went bad, i hit click before i could post my thoughts about the fear factor going through our crazy kingdom hall.

the title of this thread was aimed at asking why the governing body is becoming so afraid and demanding the elders and rank and file to put their trust in the dukes of the kingdom hall.

(pslams 146:3).. .

abiather

They are not worried not only about dates, but also about the truthfulness of certain verses such as this:

“I say to you that many will come from THE EAST and THE WEST, and will take their places at the feast WITH ABRAHAM, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of HEAVEN. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Mathew 8:11, 12)

Will we “be thrown outside”? is another worry!

And who are those coming from the EAST and WEST to inherit HEAVEN along with Abraham? How many misunderstanding one can make in just one verse of the Bible?

1) Abraham is going to be in Heaven

2) People from The East and The West are going to be in Heaven

3) Are JWs who claim to be the sole Kingdom Heirs to be thrown outside?

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Drug overdose causes death of Union Ministers wife!

by abiather in

jw
friends

1) medicine, if taken carelessly, can kill a person!

this came to the light because the one died was a wife of union minister, who was an under-secretary in un before.

this can happen, because it was over-dosage.

abiather

Yes, cantleave, that is what I wanted to highlight. Before going for any major treatment, get maximum opinions on the subject--including on alternative medicine, as happened in the case of Clinton.

To my own fleshly sister, doctors suggested heart-operation to replace a narrowed valve. She did not bother to do it. However, her friend doctor said: If its from the birth, body will take care of it. You only need to be careful not to aggravate it by your diet and life-style. She did that, and it is now more than 25 years--she has no problem.

Everywhere GREED rules!

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

abiather

Here is an interesting view by a scientist (Peter Lynds)

"Why there is something rather than nothing"

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Drug overdose causes death of Union Ministers wife!

by abiather in

jw
friends

1) medicine, if taken carelessly, can kill a person!

this came to the light because the one died was a wife of union minister, who was an under-secretary in un before.

this can happen, because it was over-dosage.

abiather

1) Medicine, if taken carelessly, can kill a person! This came to the light because the one died was a wife of Union Minister, who was an under-Secretary in UN before. This can happen, because it was over-dosage. OK (here is the link: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Drug-overdose-cause-of-Sunanda-Pushkars-death-AIIMS-autopsy-report/articleshow/29118949.cms)

2) Have you heard of former president Clinton’s misery? His mistake was that He trusted high-profile doctors and underwent many bypass surgeries, but all in vain. However, when he tried 'China Study Diet' or 'Whole Food Plant Based Diet (WFPB)' and decided to follow the diet for six months even though not very strictly, within six months his clogged arteries cleaned up, calcium deposits washed away, stent got removed, weight reduced to normal and he became an active energetic and charismatic man as he was while he was the president of USA.

3) In India the total number of patients dying of angiography on the diagnosis table every year equals to the total number of people killed in all the terrorist attacks put together from 1987 to 2013! An impartial study would reveal that more often patients die of the complications of the surgery and the long term side effects of the medication involved, rather than by the disease itself!

This is not to alarm you, but just to suggest that how cautiously we will have to tread our paths.—Proverbs 22:3

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JWs do not share the mind of Jehovah!

by abiather in

jehovahs witnesses are a teaching and preaching organization.. however, history shows that teachings do not make people self-motivated to do good or to be spiritual.

(mathew 23:37, 38) hence god will not choose an organization to serve no purpose!

in fact, he simply denounces preachers, teachers and miracle-performers.

abiather

DATA-DOG

You aptly said: “They really do put their trust in nobles.”

I personally witnessed something so detestable in connection with this, very recently. I was attending a JW Wedding feasts. It was a grand wedding. Among the invitees, there were some Disfellowshipped ones too, who happened to be the fleshly relatives of the bride-groom. Among the disfellowshipped ones, there was one very rich man. He was given special attention by elders—even more than the bona-fide JWs. This is something James could not even have imagined would ever happen when he wrote James 2:2-4

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JWs do not share the mind of Jehovah!

by abiather in

jehovahs witnesses are a teaching and preaching organization.. however, history shows that teachings do not make people self-motivated to do good or to be spiritual.

(mathew 23:37, 38) hence god will not choose an organization to serve no purpose!

in fact, he simply denounces preachers, teachers and miracle-performers.

abiather

AndDontCallMeShirley

It seems you have a SUPER-human eyes into the past of JWs—very good.

Crazyguy

Very wonderful quotes from WT

Both of your memories and the prompt linking are the proof of divine providence.

What proof do we require to say God exists?!

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JWs do not share the mind of Jehovah!

by abiather in

jehovahs witnesses are a teaching and preaching organization.. however, history shows that teachings do not make people self-motivated to do good or to be spiritual.

(mathew 23:37, 38) hence god will not choose an organization to serve no purpose!

in fact, he simply denounces preachers, teachers and miracle-performers.

abiather

AndDontCallMeShirley

That is a very apt, and bold observation!