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  Shouldn't we create a mock JC to DF Max Larson, other WT icons after they die?

  by willyloman in

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  it might be interesting to solicit evidence and hold a mock judicial committee each time one of these wt icons dies.. there must be enough eye witness material to df each and everyone posthumously for something -- apostasy, lack of humility, anger, and all the other forms of unchristian behavior listed in the elder's manual, to say nothing of their role in the death of countless dubs who needlessly refused a blood transfusion or went to prison over some false wt doctrine.. in fact, it might be easier to package their cumulative offenses into that handy wt catchphrase, "loose conduct," would would cover a multitude of sins.

  there appears to be no shortage of "scriptural grounds" for judicial action.

  they'd be notified of the jc's decision by a letter to the wtbts.. it'd be the world's first online judicial committee..

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  willyloman

  It might be interesting to solicit evidence and hold a mock Judicial Committee each time one of these WT icons dies.

  There must be enough eye witness material to DF each and everyone posthumously for something -- apostasy, lack of humility, anger, and all the other forms of unChristian behavior listed in the elder's manual, to say nothing of their role in the death of countless dubs who needlessly refused a blood transfusion or went to prison over some false WT doctrine.

  In fact, it might be easier to package their cumulative offenses into that handy WT catchphrase, "loose conduct," would would cover a multitude of sins. There appears to be no shortage of "scriptural grounds" for judicial action. They'd be notified of the JC's decision by a letter to the WTBTS.

  It'd be the world's first online judicial committee.
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  The Watchtower's Delicate Mastery Of Deception

  by metatron in

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  you gotta admire the skill manifest in the watchtower's deception skills.

  don't kid yourself, even the gestapo, in internal documents found after the war, found the magazines to be well crafted in the field of propaganda.. the latest deceptions?

  well, there's the nov. awake magazine with its cover asking, "is belief in a creator reasonable".

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  willyloman

  Met: Nice topic, hope it has legs.

  Kudos to AnneB for insightful remarks.
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  Tuesday, September 11, 2001 - The Day My JW Faith Began to Die (finally)

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  it was late june of 2001 that i was appointed as an elder at the amazingly seasoned age of 26. a true lifelong goal had been achieved.

  i had to be appointed an elder before 30. already, peers were starting to be appointed.

  i had to make it.

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  Jeff: poignant post, a lot to think about.

  For readers who want more, here is another thread with more memories of that fateful day:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/215600/1/So-where-were-you-Sep-11-2001
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  I've stopped my bible study but....

  by PenelopePaige in

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  the lady i studied with asked if it would be okay if she still brought the magazines by.

  i said of course because i do love the awake and watchtower.

  well, when she came by last week, she gave me the mags and then as we stood around chit-chatting, i realized we were basically still having the study, only we were standing up instead of sitting in the living room.

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  Everything's been said that needs to be said on this topic, but this reminded me of an experience:

  ...she put everything I had "placed" with her, in a box ... and left it on her front porch for me

  We were out in FS and woman answered the door one morning and said, "I'm in the middle of something but could you please come back in about 20 minutes?"

  When we returned, there was a box on the doorstep with a note attached: "JWs - Please take this with you."

  Inside were a bunch of older books, brochures, etc., published by the WTBTS. Curious, we knocked at the door to discuss... but no one answered the door. We sent back the next weekend, thinking we'd catch her at home. There was no answer. A week or two later, we returned and the householder who opened the door (not the same woman) said she had just moved in to the apartment. The former tenant had vacated it.

  Apparently, we helped her move some of her stuff!
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  What's Fun in Boston?

  by SixofNine in

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  any travel advice from boston natives or people who know the area well?

  i will be flying into boston on my way to a cabin in maine at the end of august, and my schedule allows me the flexibility to either fly in and drive to maine immediately, or spend a day or two in the boston area.

  what is a must see/must do in the boston area?

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  willyloman

  Six: you have a message.
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  What's Fun in Boston?

  by SixofNine in

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  any travel advice from boston natives or people who know the area well?

  i will be flying into boston on my way to a cabin in maine at the end of august, and my schedule allows me the flexibility to either fly in and drive to maine immediately, or spend a day or two in the boston area.

  what is a must see/must do in the boston area?

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  and that makes two recs on this thread for Legal Seafood

  And this makes three. I also second a visit to JFK Library. It's miles ahead of, say, the George W. Bush Library. You'll actually be inspired.

  You should try to get to the North End, lots of great Italian restaurants, one or more in every block, just follow your nose. Don't eat dessert, though. Walk over to Mikes' Pastries and buy cannoli. There's usually a line but it's worth it.

  p.s. We'll be there on Aug. 21, en route to the Cape. Will def stop at Mike's to lay in provisions.
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  Since You've Left The Organization Have You Turned Into A "Bad" Boy or Girl?

  by minimus in

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  the witnesses say that if you leave the religion you will become a very vile person.

  you will probably get vd.

  you will get into drugs and booze, your life will go to hell.. personally, i've been pretty much the same guy although i would now be viewed as a "fornicator".

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  The dub myth: If you leave the org, you go off the deep end and become an immoral slut with no standards.

  The reality: Once you leave you are free to revert to your authentic self, or go in search of it. As a result you become YOU, only more so.
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  Is This Guy Serious? (For Old Dudes)

  by metatron in

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  read this:.

  http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/tpv3/voices.php/2011/07/30/how-the-october-2008-financial-collapse-.

  ok, so his "logic" is horribly convoluted, but i'm intrigued (as you might be, farkel and others).

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  WTS Controlling Tactics Similar to Phillip Garrido's on Jaycee Dugard ........

  by flipper in

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  ........ and of course, that should come as no big surprise considering phillip and nancy garrido were jehovah's witnesses either before, or quite possibly at the time they abducted & kidnapped jaycee and stole her life away for 18 years.

  i will share some excerpts from jaycee dugard's new book " a stolen life " and see if you also identify similar mind control tactics garrido used on jaycee that the wt society uses on 7 million members.. notice this quote from jaycee about schools and education , " i, however, have mixed feelings about high school.

  on the one hand, for eighteen years i had been taught ( by garrido ) that schools are bad and kids learn bad things there and peer pressure can ruin a child's life forever ; but when i consider who i heard all this stuff from, a kidnapper, rapist, pedophile, narcissistic, pervert, i can only come to one conclusion.

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  willyloman

  Flipper:

  Good point. My grown children, now all ex-dubs, certainly feel (to varying degrees) as if their their own lives were stolen.

  [p.s. Of course, this is no way meant to equate their lives with Jaycee's ordeal.]
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  Last Letter to The Congregation Committee

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  last letter to the congregation committee.

  today i uploaded a new article to my blog addressing a bit of watchtower history.

  it shows the last letter sent to the congregation committee of congregations with instruction on how to go about forming their replacement congregational governing structure.

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  When the decision was made to rotate elders through the permanent positions, the result was near chaos.

  You had secretaries who couldn't spell and didn't know how to write a letter and had no clue what a filing system was.

  There were Field Service Overseers who loathed field service and were far removed from the cheerleader mentality that the position required.

  You had school overseers who couldn't speak, teach, had no command of the English language, and misapplied the information and speaking tips so carefully articulated in the School Guidebook.

  There were Presiding Overseers with no ability to preside, were afraid to delegate, and let the position go to their heads.

  And the Watchtower conductor was likely to be a doofus who didn't prepare, didn't study, didn't engage the congregation and get folks involved, and who couldn't teach.

  Of course, we were told this was god's "spirit annointed arrangement." But if this were god's idea, didn't he foresee these flaws in advance? Why didn't he skip directly to the way the arrangement was revised shortly after it began? Looking back, this was a huge clue that there were too many chefs in the kitchen and that the master chef had left the building (if, in fact, he was ever there).