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  News: Tamara Coakley's life saved by cow's blood

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  revolutionary 'blood' saves womanhttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/revolutionary-blood-hboc-201-saves-tamara-coakley/story-e6frf7jo-1226050068016.

  herald sun - lucie van den berg - 3 hours agoa last-ditch effort to save mrs coakley's life led to 10 units of the haemoglobin-based oxygen carrier, called hboc-201 to be flown in from the us.

  picture: craig borrow source: herald sun the alfred hospital trauma service director dr mark fitzgerald .... congratulations on a medical miraclehttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/editorials/congratulations-on-a-medical-miracle/story-e6frfhqo-1226050128973.

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  This is a big step towards realization of what the WTS has been counting on, a synthetic product renders their controversial blood transfusion issue moot. They want it so bad they'll ignore that it's made from cows' blood.

  Watch for these talking points soon, in a WT (study edition) near you:

  1. Faithful dubs followed the Bible prohibition on blood for many years, despite ridicule.

  2. Wordly scientists, impressed by the steadfastness of these lovers of Jehovah, set out to solve the problem.

  3. Now they've created a synthetic substance designed to save the live's of faithful witnesses everywhere.

  4. You see, friends? You just have to wait on Jehovah.

  They'll have to spin it for the smarter ones among the faithful, but they've been infecting the ranks with cognitive dissonance for decades. They experimented with the "generation" doctrine and got away with that and to most dubs, the generation teaching had been sacred. Nevertheless, the rank and file were generally willing to look the other way when it mutated into something no one quite understands.

  Meanwhile, no one ever really understood the blood transfusion doctrine, so this should be easier for them.
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  The whole NGO thing.

  by shakyground in

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  i was just thinking today at work about the whole ngo thing and got pretty deep in thought about it.

  i remember reading about it and i remember reading on a pro jw site i think it was jehovah uk or something like that.

  on the pro jw site they said that when the society signed and joined as an ngo there were no requirements to pledge that you will uphold the ideals of the un etc etc.

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  That letter from the UN combined with the Awake! article just said to me that this was more than coincidence and a clear act of treachery for the Society.

  Good, concise summary, sd-7.

  It's nice to see all this material reposted here; for too long, the apologists' viewpoint has succeeded in obfuscating this important piece of WT history to the point that over the past decade many have become confused about the United Nations/NGO scandal.

  I was an elder and a serious dub back in 2001. The NGO thing shocked me and I began rethinking my position. This, and the subsequent NBC Dateline expose of WT coverups of child molesters in their ranks, prompted me to walk away from this organization after nearly 30 years of dedication. They taught me that the Bible demands we abhor hypocrisy and when I found myself steeped in it, there was no other choice for me. I planned and executed an exit strategy to protect family and business ties. I haven't been back since and have no regrets.

  Willy Loman (of the conscientious objector class)
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  Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!

  by JT in

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  2. friends

  yes, i too have wondered how an assembly that is held in a fully paid for assembly hall, with no food service, could possibly have $10,000 in expenses.

  i suppose the bethel speakers have transportation expenses - maybe $1000 or so.

  as for rent on the assembly hall, well you have already paid for it once, why pay again?

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  The expense numbers announced at conventions are COMPLETELY FABRICATED and bear no resemblence to ANY ACTUAL expenses

  Another example that calls into question some of the numbers posted, published or bragged about by the WTS. Whether it's field service hours (many of which we know are liberal estimates or outright phony), large scale attendance figures, or cumulative reports from far away places, you can never really be sure of their numbers.

  What you can be sure of is the Society uses numbers to create a narrative. They make a big show of posting long columns of very specific figures that give the appearance they are fastidious when it comes to accounting. None of us has any way of telling whether, for example, the annual publisher report is accurate... but is certainly gives the impression this is an organization that counts everything twice and strives for accuracy. However, when it comes to the numbers that we do know something about, such as service reports, there is a disconnect. This begins to cast doubt on the other figures they report in such detail.

  When it comes to reporting expenses and contributions, the WTS is less than transparent. And their strategy works. Ask the average dub if it's all about money and they will scoff. JWs are taught to believe that there is no money and that no one's getting paid. But after you've been in awhile and have seen the green handshakes and how those in the upper echelons are treated like royalty with all expenses paid, you realize how strong is the link between money and power.
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  London Ohio and Indianapolis Assemby Halls to be sold

  by munchausen in

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  announce was made this week that the assembly halls in london, ohio and indianapolis indiana will be sold and a new 3000 seat assembly hall will be built in southwest ohio.

  the assembly hall in london ohio was built in the 70's and is in fine shape - nothing wrong with it.

  the new one will cost around 8-9 million.

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  With the elimiation of the Bookstudy, KHs can be used more effectively by several congs.

  So much for their claim that they eliminated one meeting night a week so the bros could save money on gas. They "evidently" (to use a popular dub word) had their eye on consolidation all along.
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  It's could've damn you! COULD'VE!! Not "could of". Aaaaaaargh!

  by nicolaou in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3y0cd2cocs.

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  The one that used to bother me was "Jehovah Witness," especially when uttered by a member of the religion who you'd think would know how to spell the cult's proper name.

  I mean, you never hear any Mormons say they are LSD.

  Doesn't bother me much now, though.
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  The whole NGO thing.

  by shakyground in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just thinking today at work about the whole ngo thing and got pretty deep in thought about it.

  i remember reading about it and i remember reading on a pro jw site i think it was jehovah uk or something like that.

  on the pro jw site they said that when the society signed and joined as an ngo there were no requirements to pledge that you will uphold the ideals of the un etc etc.

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  If you think the WTS misunderstood its obligation to support the UN, then how can you explain all those Awake articles that appeared during that time lauding the UN's work ... articles in which the standard last paragraph was conspicuous by its absence? I refer to the boilerplate final paragraph the WTS had always included in any other article that portrayed well-meaning efforts on the part of worldly people to make this earth a better place to live. You remember. It usually said something like, "Of course, only God's Kingdom can really make a difference, etc."

  The Awake articles on the UN during that period looked like PR pieces, always lacking the condemnatory final paragraph. But they did fulfill the Society's pledge to promote the work of the world organization to which the WTS willingly belonged.
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  European Court to favor the WT and condemns the French goverment

  by Nick! in

  1. jw
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  this news was announced today on the journal "le monde": http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/06/30/temoins-de-jehovah-la-cour-europeenne-des-droits-de-l-homme-condamne-la-france_1543102_3224.html#xtor=rss-3208.

  unfortunately, the european court of human rights has just condemned the french government against jehovahs witnesses.

  if you recall, the french state was claiming 23 million euro (abt 33 million us dollars) taxes on contributions received by the french watchtower during the years 1993-96, which, by now, had climbed to about 58 million euro (abt 83 million us dollars) counting interests and charges.. it is not easy to size the wt.

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  Barb: If your translation is accurate, then the statement surrounding the 17 million figure is not in quotes and therefore not a declaration made by the WTS but rather a statement of puported fact by the writer of the news story. This suggests to me, a long-time editor, that the statement is a summary of some info the reporter lifted from a source, i.e., the internet, and rewrote for brevity. Of course, if the statement has quotes around it in the French original then I'm wrong.

  Newspaper writers are always summarizing information like this, thinking that they are adding information and/or context, and as a result they often scramble their facts. Which is why so many people criticize the media for getting stuff wrong. News writers are trained to use quote marks only to surround actual statements made in the presence of the reporter. Everything that appears outside the quote marks in a news story should be understood to be the writer's summary of his understanding of related facts.

  In either case, I am not defending the WTS. I don't trust any of their numbers. The way I read it suggested to me that the writer may have researched the WTS on the web, saw that 17 milllion people attended their annual memorial this year, and took that to be the membership figure.

  Having said that, thanks for posting the translation. Fascinating news!
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  My 9th Year On Here........

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  holy crapola!

  i joined this board 9 years ago today......i can't believe it's been that long.

  i miss alot of the ones that were on here when i first joined: unclebruce, dr. jekyll, gumby, kw13, littletoe, xena, simplesally, dansk, bendrr, englishman, ozziepost, luna, brummie, juni, buttlight.......we had a lot of fun on the board but it's nice that there's alot of newbies on here too.......plus, i ain't the only old timer on here!

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  Fred Hall? There's a name we haven't heard in a while. Wonder what ever happened to him.

  [Newbies: FH was the original whack job here, a role that has since been played by many others]
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  They May Have Hit The Bottom Of Dumb

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the new brochure, learn from god and live forever", is a new low for the watchtower society in descending into illiteracy and ignorance.

  it dips lower than the old "enjoy life" brochure.

  it is hard for me to imagine what the thinking behind this work is, when the intended reading level is so profoundly abysmal.

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  What I learned from my borg experience is, dumb has no bottom.
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  I think an undercover apostate was sitting near me at the meeting this afternoon

  by hoser in

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  2. friends

  this brother was sitting near me today at the hall and when the public speaker started talking about the signs of the last days this guy started whispering something to his wife and kind of mocking the speaker in a quiet voice.

  his wife looked really pissed off.. i've suspected this guy before by some of the stuff he's said and done and some of the #3 talks hes given he's gone off the assigned topic quite a bit.. during the wt study i was doing mics and i happened to walk by him several times.

  his wt was on the floor and his bible was opened to topic for conversation at the end of the bible at the last days part.. a little while later his wife gave him the look and said something to him and he picked up his unprepared wt and followed along.. hoser.

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  Back in the day, we had a MS in our congo who with a similar attitude and it was beginning to show. During a talk in the school one night, he used a couple of expressions that sounded "churchy" (as in, mainstream Christian church) and interpreted a scripture in a way that didn't sound mother-approved. Shortly after that, he just walked away.