European Court to favor the WT and condemns the French goverment

by Nick! 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • Nick!
    Nick!

    This news was announced today on the journal "Le Monde": http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/06/30/temoins-de-jehovah-la-cour-europeenne-des-droits-de-l-homme-condamne-la-france_1543102_3224.html#xtor=RSS-3208

    Unfortunately, the European Court of Human Rights has just condemned the French Government against Jehovah’s Witnesses. If you recall, the French State was claiming 23 million Euro (abt 33 million US Dollars) taxes on contributions received by the French Watchtower during the years 1993-96, which, by now, had climbed to about 58 million Euro (abt 83 million US Dollars) counting interests and charges.

    It is not easy to size the WT. Specially not this time when the French WT Branch has used the religious discrimination to ghost to benefit from the tax exemption. Religious discrimination which they claim for them, but negate to their members in particular those who decide to leave the cult.

    Roberto alias Nick!

  • AndersonsInfo
    AndersonsInfo

    Translation of the article is below. Click on the following link:

    http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/french-news/french-tax-of-jehovah-s-witnesses-hinders-rights-court_160003.html#

    French tax of Jehovah's Witnesses hinders rights: court

    European rights judges said Thursday that France had interfered with the religious freedom of Jehovah's Witnesses in imposing a supplementary tax assessment on gifts by its faithful.

    The Association of Jehovah's Witnesses claimed that the French government was trying to repress their activities by imposing in 1998 a tax assessment that amounted in total to 45 million euros ($65 million), covering the period from 1993 to 1996.

    According to the most recent information submitted by the French government, the amount claimed from the Jehovah's Witnesses was more than 57.5 million euros, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) said in a statement.

    The judges noted that the supplementary taxation "had concerned the entirety of the manual gifts received by the association... the main source of its funding."

    Consequently with its operating resources cut, "it had no longer been able to guarantee to its followers the free exercise of their religion in practical terms," the court said.

    "There had therefore indeed been interference in the applicant association's right to freedom of religion," it said.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses movement, which claims to have more than 17 million followers worldwide with 250,000 in France, identifies itself as a Christian religion with its beliefs based solely on the Bible.

    The judges also declared that the gifts had been taxed under a law that was too imprecise.

    However, there is no final ruling yet as the judges did not rule on the demand to annull the taxation, restore the amounts seized -- some 4.5 million euros plus interest -- and pay damages and expenses.

    The court said that those questions would be dealt with later in light of any supplementary observations by the parties and/or an eventual agreement between them.

  • AndersonsInfo
    AndersonsInfo

    How about this lie: "The Jehovah's Witnesses movement, which claims to have more than 17 million followers worldwide..." Just like them to count all those who attend the Memorial as members! Take note those who attend the Memorial. You are counted as a member!

    Barb

  • TD
    TD
    Take note those who attend the Memorial. You are counted as a member!

    LOL -- If they say so..

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    Jehovah's Witnesses movement, which claims to have more than 17 million followers worldwide

    Maybe they're couting the dead - you know, the dead are alive in Jehovah's memory so really they can be counted as JWs. :)

    consequently with its operating resources cut, "it had no longer been able to guarantee to its followers the free exercise of their religion in practical terms," the court said.

    WTF does this mean????? What does wts do to guarantee it's followers freedom of religion???Are they saying with the tax it wouldn't be worth for the wts to provide French witnesses with publications therefore causing the group to lose faith or couldn't practice their religion at the meetings??? What exactly is this judge saying?

  • RagingBull
    RagingBull

    Wow, I wonder if ex-JWs (for apostasy) could sue the Watchtower on the same grounds? (Hindering Religious Freedom)

  • aristeas
    aristeas

    Thx for the English translation.

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    If the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one then maybe the Devil looks after his own?

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    I suspect the judge hasn't read the July 15th Watchtower either....

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Thanks for the English that reads so fluidly, unlike Google Translator.

    Do you know what they mean by supplement? Was this a tax only imposed on JW or were other faiths included? It sounds like a lawyer's delight.

    I have no read of European Commission law. There is no const'n , right? Or is France a party to the const'n but not Angleterre.

    Taxing the Witnesses would be unthinkable in the US, no matter what you think the best policy would be. OUr raison d'etre as a country is relgious freedom, altho the actual story involves taxation, too. General assemblies grown too powerful before the crown noted them. I'm writing my legal writing sample on the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The European example leaves me heady. It shows that a modern western democracy need not follow the lead of the US. We worship worship in the US. I wonder if it has to do with predominantly Protestant history vs. a very Roman Catholic history.

    We worship

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