Posts by imallgrowedup

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What Motivates You to Expose the "Truth About the Troof" to Active JW's?

by imallgrowedup in

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while responding to another thread, i was thinking about how so many of us talk about trying to help "believing dubs" out from the clutches of the wt, while at the same time, it occurred to me that we probably all have different motivations for doing so.

as for me, i am motivated to get my parents out because i think they have the right to know "the whole story" - not just the candy-coated version the wt espouses, so they can make better decisions about how they want to live the rest of their lives.

right now the wt makes all their life decisions for them - including whether or not they should look at what the "other side" has to say about them.

imallgrowedup

sf -

I appreciate that you could be so honest about your motivations. Although I have posted questionable activity regarding the WT, and have even gone so far as to say that I would like to see the end of this destructive cult, I don't think I was 100% honest with myself when I made the original post to this thread, because I should have added exactly that when citing my own motivations. The truth of the matter is that the way the WT conducts it's affairs go against my sense of fairness. I don't like that they don't allow their members to look into the "accusations" of the apostates, and unjustly disfellowship them if they are caught. I also don't like that they would fornicate with the Wild Beast, while at the same time, would disfellowship someone for joining the "Y" to use the swimming pool. Additionally, it irks me to no end that they use their members as slave labor to not only create and produce their "products", but to sell them as well. It's not fair. You know what else is not fair? That they can get away with being a publishing corporation while hiding behind 501(c)3 laws. That really ticks me off. And that they ruin families, ruin the futures of their members by not allowing them to attend college, and that they ruin the lives of the people who associate with them. That people die because they aren't allowed to have blood transfusions - especially the children! - and that there have been so so so many abuse victims that suffered because this publishing corporation claims to be a religious entity! That really chaps my hide! I hate that I've never gotten to celebrate Christmas with my mom, or gone out trick-or-treating with her when I was a kid, or been able to honor her on her birthday! I hate that I didn't like to visit her when I was a child because I knew I would be ringing doorbells and sitting in meetings all weekend long. I hate that she is so unhappy, and that she blames herself for it! I hate that she is always second-guessing herself because she's so afraid of what others may think of her (and report her for). I hate that she's wasted her life, and that my brother won't have anything to do with her because she is a dub. I hate that she has wasted her whole life on the lie called "The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society". I want her whole - I want her happy. I want her to taste freedom, and I want her to be able to come to my son's birthday parties! I want my mom back!!!!!

................. end of rant

I guess I have some selfish motivations in addition to my altruistic reasons.

Anyway, sf, I am truly sorry about your relationship with your mother. I hope enough information comes to the surface soon that will open her eyes so the two of you can reunite.

I wonder if there are others who also would like to expose the WT to right relationships which have gone wrong because of it's teachings?

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My Heart Is ripped Out

by Paradise Found in

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thanks for the post "puternut".

i showed it with other information to a friend considering "baptism".......that"baptism" aint now going to happen.. i guess the end (d:f) of me from the w:t is a little closer also.

imallgrowedup

Paradise -

Hallelujah!!!!! Good job!!!!! I'm so sorry that Puternut is feeling so badly, but I would venture to guess that he probably is glad to know that his story spared at least one person from disappearing into the clutches of the evil WT!

Thanks for sharing!

growedup

P.S. Welcome to the board!

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What happened to JWD last night?

by Elsewhere in

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it was down for a long time.

what was going on?.

imallgrowedup

It goes down every Sunday night - at least that has been my experience over the past several weeks! It's probably maintenance time for Simon!

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UN sends reply to my inquiry about WTS NGO association- proof at last!

by joe_from_kokomo in

dear friends:.

it's been a while since i posted last, even though i probably still suffer with a newbie status, i did some dandy postings a few months back.

my wife and i are now approaching the 1 year anniversary of our split with the wtbts, and are quite happy with our decision.. one thing we did last year was to write to the u.n directly (i think i got the address from a posting here on this site) and asked specific and direct questions about the wts's involvement and knowledge of ngo requirements.

imallgrowedup

Count me in, too! Who is going to coordinate this?

growedup

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What Motivates You to Expose the "Truth About the Troof" to Active JW's?

by imallgrowedup in

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while responding to another thread, i was thinking about how so many of us talk about trying to help "believing dubs" out from the clutches of the wt, while at the same time, it occurred to me that we probably all have different motivations for doing so.

as for me, i am motivated to get my parents out because i think they have the right to know "the whole story" - not just the candy-coated version the wt espouses, so they can make better decisions about how they want to live the rest of their lives.

right now the wt makes all their life decisions for them - including whether or not they should look at what the "other side" has to say about them.

imallgrowedup

While responding to another thread, I was thinking about how so many of us talk about trying to help "believing dubs" out from the clutches of the WT, while at the same time, it occurred to me that we probably all have different motivations for doing so. As for me, I am motivated to get my parents out because I think they have the right to know "the whole story" - not just the candy-coated version the WT espouses, so they can make better decisions about how they want to live the rest of their lives. Right now the WT makes all their life decisions for them - including whether or not they should look at what the "other side" has to say about them. They can not make good choices without seeing both sides of the coin. I am also motivated to get them out because I believe in the basic tenants of Christianity which says that they must accept Jesus into their hearts in order to be able to spend eternity with God in Heaven. (I'm not trying to start a debate on whether others believe this or not, I am just saying that if it is true that they must accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior in order to go to Heaven, that they will never have a chance to do so unless they are allowed to look at other views besides those the WT spews.) If, after hearing all views they still chose the WT, I would respect their decision because it would be an informed decision. I wouldn't like it, but I would respect it.

Anyway ... I'm curious ... what motivates others to get their friends and family out?

As always - Inquiring Minds Want to Know!

growedup

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My heart is ripped out !!

by Puternut in

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i am absolutly miserable !.

i am a newbie here, some of you have seen my posts.

and for those of you, who are old timers, this is no news to you.

imallgrowedup

(((((Puternut)))))

I am so sorry that you are going through this. How horrible to have to deal with all the betrayal - to have the very foundation on which you've based your life be ripped out from underneath you. My heart goes out to you.

The only advise I can give to you is to not beat yourself up over what this selfish and insensitive cult has done to you, and to allow yourself the range of emotions you are going to go through. I've heard it described that dealing with the end of a relationship - whether it is with another person whom you've loved deeply, or with a religious organization whom you trusted your life with - is no different than dealing with the death of someone you've loved. If you think about it - right now you are faced with the death of your relationship with the WT. As such, you are going to go through all the emotions that someone who would be dealing with a physical death would. And it is perfectly understandable and normal for you to feel the way you do right now. You need to go through the grieving process in order to get through to the other side. Allow yourself to feel the anger, the sadness, the denial and finally the acceptance - and know that it is okay to share it here on the board. I promise you will find more support and understanding here than you ever had while in the borg, and when you get through to the other side, you will be glad to be rid of the oppressive and repressive organization called The Watchtower.

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Anyone following this story? If so, what do you think should happen to her?

by flower in

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personally this story sickens me but as much as i can appreciate being brainwashed in a cult i just cant see doing something like this no matter what god wanted.

but then again we believed some pretty crazy things too and how many jw kids died by not taking blood transfusions.

i dont know where i stand on this one.. http://www.turnto10.com/news/2784659/detail.htmltestimony begins in sect mother's murder trialdefense argues sect brainwashed defendant.

imallgrowedup

Flower -

This is horrible! No, I've not seen it before, but it sickened me just reading it. I'm not sure what to make of this, only because I can't determine whether the mother was actually complicit, or whether she is simply claiming she was forced. One way or the other, I personally do not believe that anyone should be able to claim religious beliefs as an excuse for someone's death - especially when it involves a child who has no say in the decision. I know that I could NEVER allow my child to die and that in fact, I would be willing to spend eternity in Hell if it meant saving him from a senseless death.

But that's just my .02!

growedup

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Aw, man :( ...and musings about death

by onacruse in

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a "worldly" friend of mine, who i've know for over 20 years (he's a couple years older than me), had a heart attack yesterday.

he's ok..."missed a bullet.

" he had an arthroplasty, and is out of icu...doc says he'll probably feel better than he has for years.

imallgrowedup

Craig,

I don't think it matters what you believe about whether there is life after death while you are alive - unless you believe that the Christian Bible is the Word of God. If so, then it would matter greatly, because, as Mouthy said, in order to live in Heaven forever you need to choose Jesus while you are still on this earth. Also, as Mouthy believes, I do not think that hell is all about fire and brimstone - rather that it is an eternity separated from God.

It's rather interesting that you bring this up because I've been thinking about my quest to get my parents out of the borg and why it is important to me - or, for that matter, why it would be important to anyone to try to get a loved one out - especially if the loved one seems to be happy. I mean, I can see why some would want their family out so they can reunite with loved ones who have shunned them for so long. I can also see where some are motivated because they know that the very foundation on which their loved ones base their lives is a big fat lie, and that they have the right to know "the truth about the troof" in order to make a better informed decision about how they want to live the rest of their lives. For me, it is the latter (I am so grateful I've never had to deal with shunning), but it is more than that. I believe there is an afterlife in Heaven with our Creator, and in order for my parents to share in that, they need to first be shaken loose from the borg and all it's twisted doctrine in order to even begin to consider accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

What it comes down to is this: there either IS an afterlife - or there ISN'T. What we do, or whether we agree there is or isn't one during our time on earth is never going to change that. One either exists or it doesn't. But if there is, and it is as the Christian Bible describes, then choices we make while we are here determine whether or not we see Heaven, or whether we see Hell. For me, my life has been happier and more peaceful than it ever was before I chose Christ - so, if there isn't an afterlife, at least believing in one while I am here on Earth makes my life much more joyful to live.

growedup

P.S. I never knew what to believe one way or another until I read an incredible book called, "Embraced by the Light" by Betty Eade. It's a short book about a Native American woman who was pronounced dead while undergoing an operation, then inexplicably came back to life. It is a very thought-provoking book, and only takes a couple of hours to read. I can honestly say that it is probably the most significant book I've ever read, outside of the Bible. You can pick one up on Amazon for about a buck two-fifty if you're interested!

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Science explains Miracle

by JH in

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scientists explain moses' miracle - 01/23/2004 16:57. moses' miracle with the parting waters described in the bible can in fact be explained from the scientific standpoint.

israelites could really cross the suez canal from one shore to another, claim russian scientists naum voltsinger and alexei androsov from the institute of oceanography located in st. petersburg.

that was the exact place of the biblical sea, which moses had crossed in order to get to the promised land, informs the article entitled ?modeling of the hydrodynamic situation of the great outcome.

imallgrowedup

Goes to show how God has perfect timing, doesn't it?!

growedup

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Poll-----Who Will Be The Next President Of the United States?

by minimus in

i say george w.

imallgrowedup

LOL @ E-man!!

Realizing this is not a thread about who we are going to personally vote for, I still think W will win. Polls at this time back this up.

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