Posts by imallgrowedup

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What Motivates You to Expose the "Truth About the Troof" to Active JW's?

by imallgrowedup in

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while responding to another thread, i was thinking about how so many of us talk about trying to help "believing dubs" out from the clutches of the wt, while at the same time, it occurred to me that we probably all have different motivations for doing so.

as for me, i am motivated to get my parents out because i think they have the right to know "the whole story" - not just the candy-coated version the wt espouses, so they can make better decisions about how they want to live the rest of their lives.

right now the wt makes all their life decisions for them - including whether or not they should look at what the "other side" has to say about them.

imallgrowedup

Peacebaby -

Thanks for your well-thought-out post. It never occurred to me to think that it could be difficult for someone who has come out of the borg to think themselves uncredible when relating the "real truth", but it makes a lot of sense to me why some could feel this way.

Red Horse Woman -

I couldn't help but think when I was reading your post how it contrasted with Peacebaby's post. Yet, at the same time, I saw it as a continuation of Peacebaby's post - just further down the road. It is interesting to hear your point-of-view because you once were where Peacebaby is now. It would be interesting to know if most Witnesses who initially don't feel as if they can reveal the "truth about the troof" eventually come to the same conclusion you have.

Some very interesting replies to this post....!

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Asks Emailing Of FBI About 23,000 Pedophiles

by RonClawson in

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just curious.

please send a copy of this to the fbi if you also agree that the coverup of a secret database of 23,000 (or even more) pedophiles unreported to law enforcement and the sending of them preaching from door-to-door as revealed at http://silentlambs.org/answers/23720.cfm (just click on https://tips.fbi.gov/ now) constitues endangerment to the lives of children among the unsuspecting public as well as the children of jehovah's witnesses among whom the pedophiles walk, a conspiratorial violation of civil rights at that!.

surely this is no more allowed by the u.s. constitution as right than when a cult cuts out the heart of a sacrificed victims or if nambla (a horrible organization of adults promoting pedophilia) were to declared itself a religion or church!

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Ron,

Welcome to the board!

I am not sure that this is an FBI issue. I am no lawyer, but I would think this is something that has to be dealt with at the legislative level.

Anyone out there know for sure?

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FLAT TAX

by Yerusalyim in

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the taxes filed thread got me to thinking....what say we here in the us go to a flat tax....18% for those who make over $35,000 a year...no deductions.

hmmmmm?

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Yeru and Big Tex -

I like the idea of a flat tax coupled with a national sales tax - however, I like the way CA has structured their sales tax, and would like to see at least part of it incorporated nationwide. In CA, there is NO tax on food at all. At one time there was a tax on "junk food" like cookies, chips and ice cream, but I believe they have done away with that. I actually think it was good to tax junk food in the sense that it is not a necessity. If the purpose of a nationwide sales tax is so taxes are paid in proportion to earnings, then only the necessities of life should be tax free - which, in my opinion, includes nutritious foods, certain types of clothing and shoes. Additionally, it bugs me that there is a federal excise tax on tires, when tires are a necessity in order to drive your car to work. I know there are some in NY or SF who rely solely on public transportation, however, the infrastructure is not in place in outlying areas to make it feasible for all to rely on public transportation and heavily tax individual modes of transportation.

BTW - Welcome to the board 1bigwhitedoggy! I like the way you see things!

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Mel Gibson Censoring Critics

by DevonMcBride in

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/139/story_13900_1.html

'something between cover-up and censorship' .

a leading bible scholar reacts to the secrecy surrounding an advance screening of 'the passion'

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BZ -

After reading the link you provided, I am more convinced than ever that whoever wrote the article at the beginning of this thread was not a pastor. There is no way he could have sat through that movie and not have felt anything positive about it at all. Thanks for providing another viewpoint!

Bradley -

My take? The Bible most likely presents a distorted view of how Jesus was crucified. The movie is based on the Bible, not modern historical understandings of Jesus. Big deal.

My take? The Bible presents an accurate view of Jesus, and that modern historical understandings present a distorted view of him. However, I am heartened to see that you don't deny his existence. There is hope for you yet!! *ducking*

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Mel Gibson Censoring Critics

by DevonMcBride in

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/139/story_13900_1.html

'something between cover-up and censorship' .

a leading bible scholar reacts to the secrecy surrounding an advance screening of 'the passion'

imallgrowedup

SS -

The article may be a clever way of reversing the situation. Jews have been screaming about this movie being inflamitory of antisemitism since gibson started making it. They have been trying to censor gibson. This article makes it appear as if gibson is the censor. I would investigate this pastor's connections and beliefs to look for evidence of judaismic sympathies/connections, as oposed the christian leanings, along w free speach. He can't be that uninformed about the situation surrounding this movie.

I agree with you. I highly suspect that this man is not who he claims to be. To me, this man's article sounded more like someone who wanted a platform where he could legally bash this movie under the guise of a violation of his own pet peeve. He had not one nice or positive thing to say about the movie at all. I would think that as a pastor, there had to be something he had to like about it - even if it was a comment about how many more people may choose Christ because of this film. Instead of focusing on the film, he chose to focus on how he was not allowed to critique it. If he didn't like the arrangement, why did he sign the agreement? His indignation would carry much more weight had he not signed the agreement at all, and forewent the movie preview altogether. However, when he signed on the dotted line, he willingly compromised his ideals, so he has no right to self-righteouly accuse Mel Gibson of requiring him to violate his own pet peeve. As the main character in this very movie once said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Speaking of Mel Gibson not wanting any negative press on the movie - can you blame him? If I were making a movie on the last few days of Jesus' life, I would know that the best endorsement I could get would be from Christian pastors. Why bother doing the screening at all if anyone was going to run off and bash it? Besides - no one was forced to sign the agreement. They could have walked.

For what it is worth, my own pastor attended this screening. When he got back, he could not praise this movie enough - especially in regards to it's historical accuracy. In fact, he is going to interrupt the series he has been speaking on to illustrate to us just how accurate it is by doing a biblical comparison. This may not sound significant to some, but to members of my church, nothing our pastor has ever done speaks as loudly as his decision to interrupt our current series-in-progress. In fact, to illustrate how significant this is - my pastor didn't break down and change the series the weekend after 9/11 hit - much to my chagrin. It was "business as usual" for him. So to say that we are going on "hiatus" to study just the last few days of Jesus' life prior to the release of this movie speaks volumes about how great this movie is.

Again, if the guy who wrote this article really is a pastor, why couldn't he find one good thing to say about the movie, when my own pastor, who barely gives a glance to events taking place outside of our church is setting everything else aside to insure we know what we are looking at when we go to see this movie. I say this guy is a mole, and a transparent one at that.

As for me, I'll be waiting in line on opening night.

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What Motivates You to Expose the "Truth About the Troof" to Active JW's?

by imallgrowedup in

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while responding to another thread, i was thinking about how so many of us talk about trying to help "believing dubs" out from the clutches of the wt, while at the same time, it occurred to me that we probably all have different motivations for doing so.

as for me, i am motivated to get my parents out because i think they have the right to know "the whole story" - not just the candy-coated version the wt espouses, so they can make better decisions about how they want to live the rest of their lives.

right now the wt makes all their life decisions for them - including whether or not they should look at what the "other side" has to say about them.

imallgrowedup

Wannaexit -

And on a selfish note I would like to see watchtower crumble.

I think selfish motives are just as valid as any other motive. I can understand feeling as if justice were served should this happen.

Maggie, Blind Zebra and Peacebaby,

Welcome to the board!

Maggie -

I spent many many years trying to convince people of something....It will be a long time before I ever ever ever do that again....I am living my life and enjoying it and don't want to live anyone elses or try to get them to understand anything.

I don't know you yet, but are you saying you think because you spent so long telling others about the "truth" and then finding out it was a lie is a barrier to you sharing the real "truth" with active dubs?

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What do you collect?

by FlyingHighNow in

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besides dust?

what do you collect?

heather

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Debt .

LOL @ xjw! I can hear that all the way from Canada!!!

I also like collecting 8-tracks, however, I only collect ones that I can actually stand listening to (sorry, I don't have a copy of Harry's Happy Organ Music Vol 4). 8-tracks that were made in the 1980s are much harder to come by. The great thing about them is buying them, fixing them, then finally listening to them. It seems they're much more difficult to come by than records.

Nos - I must have had 80 8-tracks that I up and gave away in the early '90's! I even had one that the label said contained Fleetwood Mac's Tusk, but when I played it, it was really The Village People with YMCA! Man, if I'da only known.... could have helped me get rid of the same collection xjw was referring to!!!

I also collect antique teacups and saucers, the US quarters (hey Valis! I'm missing Alabama! Have you seen any of those, yet?!), all-things chicken and/or rooster, antique food tins, and houseplants. I must have 50 of them all over my house! (Between Galaxy's birds and my plants, we could have our own tropical forest right here above the equator!)

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Please give me a question

by galaxy7 in

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well my weekly bible study is coming up this week and i am being blessed with the cuircut servant and his wife.i was told last week to save all my questions for them,(beacause of my difficulty with believing in 1914).

does anyone have a question that they would like me to ask.. .

imallgrowedup

I think one of the best questions you can ask them is one Shotgun brought up in another thread (which, btw, you might want to look at for more ideas): http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/64494/993615/post.ashx#993615

I've had several elder visits. This is a question which after it was asked caused each and every elder to never mention it again because they cannot answer it. JW's use Luke 21:23 to justify the date 1914 saying that the end of the Gentile times happened in 1914. The verses plainly state that the end of the gentile times happens after the last days and brings the great tribulation to its end.

Then I ask them if individual bible writers put events in order or put them out of sequence so that we could try to fit it together. They usually say they put things in order.
Read Luke 21 together from verse 7 to 23
I asked what is the sequence in Luke 21...... last days , Great Tribulation, end of Gentile times they said yes thats right. So I said if The Gentile times ended in 1914 why do we say the last days began after 1914 which is clearly different from the sequence given in Luke and Matthew.
Its also interesting to point out that Russell and Rutherford had both taught that the last days began in 1799, that Christ returned in 1874, that the great tribulation would happen before 1914 and the gentile times would happen in 1914 bringing the destruction to an end. This line of reasoning was not dropped until the late twenties.
Good luck

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What happened to JWD last night?

by Elsewhere in

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it was down for a long time.

what was going on?.

imallgrowedup

SS -

I thought those dam republicans had struck again

Naaa.... but it looks like something's gotten into one of our favorite liberals!!!

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What happened to JWD last night?

by Elsewhere in

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it was down for a long time.

what was going on?.

imallgrowedup

Wednesday -

LOL! I've done the same thing! I finally realized it is just routine maintenance, but in the meantime, I ran virus scans, deleted my temporary internet files, rebooted the puter and even did a defrag! Now I know that even this board needs a little rest now and then.....!

:-)

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