I still believe that Crooklyn will somehow be involved. Perhaps the CO will send something to them as he does now. They will correspond with him and then he notifies the congo of the appointment. Being the contol junkies they are I can't see them giveing up control completely.
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The REAL reason for the elder and ms appointment change......
by EndofMysteries inas seen in recent posts, beginning later this year appointments and deletions of elders and ms will only happen through the circuit overseer.
this means that individual congregations and elders have no say anymore.
if the gb want only certain people in or out, they tell the co and he makes it happen.
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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants
by pixel inhello, you read it here first!.
governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
to all congregations.
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SadElder
Under the present arrangement, the elders meet with the CO and make a recommendation. If the CO is against this it won't happen, either he will get the local brothers to back off or he will kill it through his letter of dissent to Crooklyn. So in reality this arrangement has been in effect since the elders arrangement went into effect.
I think this is a smoke screen by Brooklyn, a legal manuver to still some potential lawsuits and to distance themselves from the local yocals who seem to keep screwing up. I would look for the appointment letter to come from the branch after approving the action. They won't admit this procedure exists of course. We'll see what the Washtowel has to say as to procedure and any subsquent letters from the Bethel CIA (Service Dept).
Salheart: Yes when the elders arrangement went into effect all had to be reappointed as elders or MS. There was quite a lot of wrangling that went on in the meetings held to decide who did or didn't qualify as an elder. It was an interesting experience to say the least.
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FYI, links to photos of jw.org signs on top of WT buildings
by AndersonsInfo inyesterday, on the thread i started on 4/15/14, http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/279088/1/essay-by-barbara-anderson-whats-in-a-name#.u1e98jao7l9 that introduces a recent article i wrote which is posted on www.watchtowerdocuments.org , i thought i made an inaccurate statement in one of my posts about wt having a sign, jw.org, on the top of one of their buildings.
i was sure i had seen a photo of such a sign but couldn't prove it until last night when proof was sent to me in an email and the proof is to be found in the form of links to photos of the sign.
i was wrong in thinking the sign was on a wt factory building.
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Isn't it interesting that things they used to vilify are now so valuable to them? Internet, video, credit card machnes, compter devices, all are part of the arsenal of the worship beefore the Watchtower altar. Yet it hasn't been so long ago that all were castigated soundly in the publications and from the platform.
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Supreme Court ruling- refusing to photo gay wedding is discrimination
by SadElder inaccording to bloomberg news:.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-07/wedding-photographer-rebuffed-by-top-court-on-same-sex-ceremony.
"the u.s. supreme court turned away an appeal from a new mexico wedding photographer found to have violated a state anti-discrimination law when she refused to take pictures of a commitment ceremony for a same-sex couple.. the photographer, elaine huguenin, argued unsuccessfully that she was being unconstitutionally forced to convey a message conflicting with her religious beliefs.
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This isn't a thread about gay choices, etc. That debate will go on and on ad nauseam depending on the side of the fence chosen.
I'm more interested in the implications for dubs and their stand against working for chuches, etc.
Viviane - Wouldn't the SCOTUS not hearing the case in essence be making a ruling? We're not hearing the case as the lower court didn't err.
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Supreme Court ruling- refusing to photo gay wedding is discrimination
by SadElder inaccording to bloomberg news:.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-07/wedding-photographer-rebuffed-by-top-court-on-same-sex-ceremony.
"the u.s. supreme court turned away an appeal from a new mexico wedding photographer found to have violated a state anti-discrimination law when she refused to take pictures of a commitment ceremony for a same-sex couple.. the photographer, elaine huguenin, argued unsuccessfully that she was being unconstitutionally forced to convey a message conflicting with her religious beliefs.
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Viviane - Why in the world would it mean that?
If a JW refuses to work for a church because he does not want to be associated with them, isn't he discriminating because of religion?
While I haven't read the case law and I'm for certain no attorney, it makes me pause to consider all the ramifications this could possibly have.
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Supreme Court ruling- refusing to photo gay wedding is discrimination
by SadElder inaccording to bloomberg news:.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-07/wedding-photographer-rebuffed-by-top-court-on-same-sex-ceremony.
"the u.s. supreme court turned away an appeal from a new mexico wedding photographer found to have violated a state anti-discrimination law when she refused to take pictures of a commitment ceremony for a same-sex couple.. the photographer, elaine huguenin, argued unsuccessfully that she was being unconstitutionally forced to convey a message conflicting with her religious beliefs.
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SadElder
According to Bloomberg news:
"The U.S. Supreme Court turned away an appeal from a New Mexico wedding photographer found to have violated a state anti-discrimination law when she refused to take pictures of a commitment ceremony for a same-sex couple.
The photographer, Elaine Huguenin, argued unsuccessfully that she was being unconstitutionally forced to convey a message conflicting with her religious beliefs. She was seeking to overturn a ruling against her company, Elane Photography LLC, by the New Mexico Human Rights Commission. The high court made no comment in rejecting the appeal."
While this case applies in New Mexico, does it mean that Joe Eldubwindowasher cannot refuse to wash windows on the Catholic church or the local military base?
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Is the U.N. preparing to attack Religion
by confusedandalone inabout 5 minutes ago i get an article emailed to me from my mother telling me that i need to find a way to get back to jehovah and his saving arm... she read an article in a reputable newspaper that all the friends are using to show that its not just jehovahs witnesses who see religion about to get attacked by the u.n.. it concludes with a link to the article and her desire for me to please read it in light of my recent situation.. .
here is the article http://www.examiner.com/article/is-the-un-preparing-to-attack-religion.
the writer bill underwood is a jehovah's witness.
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SadElder
Just wait, the Watchtower/Awake will quote him as an authority soon in some article they conjure up. Just as they quote previous WT articles to give credence to some stand they take. Circular reasoning at its' best.
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Where is Shamus these days?
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Dec.2013 Awake "Can you Trust The News Media?
by jam in1)media moguls (a samll but powerful number of corporations.
own primary media outlets, corporations are desesigned fro profit).. 2)governments (gov.
want to convince the public to support their.
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So the question becomes: Can you trust the Awake magazine?
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A contribution from one of the members!
by Atlantis ina contribution from one of the members who doesn't get to post very often.. ... .......... ........................ ......... ..........atlantis
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SadElder
I was at that Baltimore convention with Freddie. I was 16, and working in the "Public Address" (sound) department. During one of Freddie's talks the sound went out. The poor guy on the stage had every mic out there in front of Freddie, to no avail. The fellow working the sound mixer had accidentally kicked the power cord loose.
It was at that convention that Fred went on and on about 1975. I remember his words went something like this.... "we're not saying that Armageddon will come in 1975, but it would be fitting if that happend." Of course he was lilting on about the 6,000 years of man's creation ending then.
BTW I still have my collection of those same tracts still in the plastic folder we used to carry in our brief cases. I have one that is titled "Jehovah's Witnesses, Communists or Christians?"