so where did god exist before he created the heavens?
I honestly would like you to think about this question, Fisherman. No need to reply, as I'm not looking to debate or ridicule your beliefs. it's meant to be food for thought..
You said this:
Given a living creature and the same creature dead, the difference between them is the substance that "animates" them.
My question:
A person is brain-dead... medically, scientifically - dead. The only thing keeping that flesh alive is the machines. Is this 'substance' animating the brain-dead body?
this week has been the week when my whole way of thinking shifted.
i still cannot believe how this can happen so fast.
over a period of seven days i went from not even imagining that i could ever not be a witness to wanting to get out of this organisation.. .
Take a deep breath!
Your mind and logic have figured it out, and that is a wonderful thing. Remembering when I left the religion .... it happened quickly for me, too. Even though I knew it was not the truth, my stomach would churn and I would feel very panicked. This is NORMAL - your world view has been destroyed, and you need time to absorb the shock to your emotions.
You are smart to think first about what you should do. There will be lots of support and good advice here.
xx
yep, these gems and comments were used in the talk today:.
speaking of ones who "failed to show appreciation for all the rich spiritual food we get from the f&ds", the speaker said this:.
"many have even failed to keep up with everything we are lovingly provided by christ's brothers, and rather than keeping their faith strong, they have become complacent and even critical ofjehovah's provisions!
They have 'thought themselves out of the truth'
Ironically, that is the reality, and the speaker is saying "if you believe in the truth, you are not a thinking person". They came to their senses. And the main reason that ex-JWS are miserable (those who are) is because of the loss of their family!
I can't imagine how hard it would be, to listen to that drivel. It must make you angry, and so sad.
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things that i trust more than hillary clinton:.
mexican tap water.
any email from nigeria.
I think they should choose another bona fide actor, rather than a businessman/woman. Think about it. In the 80s, America was convinced that "Reganomics" was sound fiscal policy. If you have a good enough pitchman, people will believe anything.
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Just kidding! Well, not really.
things that i trust more than hillary clinton:.
mexican tap water.
any email from nigeria.
if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that.
you will never grow old in this present system of things... .all evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years... as a young person you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.
if you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career.
I was too young to prevent this, but my parents (who believed that shyte, it was 1972) had me hauled out of HS at age 14, when I had a super scholarship deal for my senior year, as an exchange student in Paris. The Guidance Counsellor had been working with me, but when Mother found out ... well, Jehovah wasn't gonna let that happen! NO, don't let that child be a doctor! So, I don't even remember ages 14-16, but dd leave home at 16 to board with another JW family.
I left the religion when I was 18, and never darkened the door of a KH since. It wasn't easy to go it alone in the 70s, with poor health and a grade X education. But I went back to school, and university, and am proud of my personal achievements.
Fast forward 20 years ... my mother "Oh, and AP (a girl I grew up with, whose father was 'worldly' and mother 'spiritually weak') is a DOCTOR! Isn't that amazing? Her mother is so PROUD!"
"But mom, I wanted to be a doctor and you wouldn't let me."
"That's not true. You *wanted* to leave school."
Hypocritical woman that she is. She is the perfect 'elderette'.
Ah, yes, the 1975 Generation. Some of us didn't believe, or buy into that, but still paid the price.
(PS, if you are reading this, AP, don't take offense. I am happy for you! xoxo J)
my few of my favorite anti-god, anti-religion, anti-jw vibe music.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtgkrcxybsm.
...you're such an inspiration for the ways .
that i'll never ever choose to be .
You might like this one by Frankenstein Drag Queen, it's a personal favorite.
a bit of introspection on this one ... just read on someone's post that a compliment makes him "float" for hours, and it got me thinking; within the spectrum of comments that people make about me, from compliment to criticism, which is the type that most affects me?.
after my experience as a jehovah's witness, i find that i've become suspicious of compliments and over-sensitive to criticism.
because a common technique of elders was to compliment someone before going down to business, that is, giving hard counseling or discipline.
For many years, I was affected by both.
Compliments - what, ME? NO. I will never be good enough!
Criticism - you're right. I'm not good enough.
After years of working through different issues, I've finally come to the place where others' opinions make little difference. I know who I am, and am happy to be me. That is a healthier place to be.
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for the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.
the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.
thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).
Umm , I guess that only *certain people* are allowed to ask to keep a thread ON TOPIC. How "big" of you, JWINQUESTION, to ask Cofty to give this new member a bit of time to get comfortable here.
This poster has been a member for 4 days. Cofty and others, do you have such a NEED to convert people to your way of thinking, that you can't allow them to catch their breath and be happy they know TTATT, and have found support, before you attack their ENTIRE belief system?
Why is it okay for you to demand that people stay on-topic on your threads, yet you are exempt from giving others the same respect? Maybe there should be a warning to those of 'faith', that they *will* be persecuted on this site.
Don't you 'get it'? In other contexts, you may be considered a bully.
And if you want the link to YOUR thread, Cofty, where you kept telling people to *stay on the topic*, I will provide it.
i am skipping the details on how we got to this point.
conversation was calmed and pleasant and while i know she is not the most educated person (she can hardly read), its hard to justify it by saying is a matter of ignorance.
it is definitely something inside her that triggers on that very moment.. me: i don't know where all the money is going.
This conversation in the OP reminds me of an old joke.
A roofer is teaching his apprentice how to hammer down the shingles. He places the nail in the appropriate place, and says to the apprentice, "When I nods me head, hit it!" He nods his head, and splat! the apprentice whacks him a good one.
It's like talking to a moron - 'does not compute'.
