Posts by primitivegenius

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I talked to a former JW I haven't spoken to in years

by B_Deserter in

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i made a post about my first crush and how disastrous it was.

anyway, i worked up the guts to talk to her on im tonight.

we caught up a little, but she seemed....kind of aloof and suspicious.

primitivegenius

good advice here bro.........listen to it. i was EXACTLY in your shoes 5 years ago............ what do you do?

you can go to the hall and find some drone............ and then eventually......... your conscience will NOT allow you to continue to PRETEND........ and where are you at then........ you have a wife who probably belives with all her heart and soul and cant think for herself......... so then you gotta plant seeds which will be ignored for YEARS........... unhappy unhappy unhappy........... screw that........

you can stay where your at ( i assume thats local to where the cult knows you ) find a non jw girl to date........... have it automaticly assumed that your haveing sex with her the first time you get to spend five minutes with her alone.......... get counciled/marked/reproved/DF'ed lose all friends and family (unless your especially lucky)

you can start prepareing yourself for a couple moves........ move an hour away or so....... change congs........ move another hour or so away....... change congs again......... BOTH of these moves are SHORT TERM exclusively to throw the cult off your trail........... then either move again two hours in the opposite direction or if possible OUT OF STATE. no forwarding address............ good bye so long farewell.

where your from locally if you were active in the org you will be known in the district you served...... that was my problem.......... i couldnt so much as go to the mall without seeing 15 witnesses from any number of congregations....... so how am i gonna date when it is 1000% sure to get back to the cult leaders?

i was pissed........ at the time i was a 30 yr old virgin and didnt intend to remain that way for long. i couldnt take my time and look to find a nice non jw girl............. it wouldnt have mattered....... woulda took some flack and been DF'ed. instead i met a girl here and went to visit......... now she was like me.... had pioneered for several years and did all she could be before her doubts came at her full force........ so i even got to pretend that i was marrying a spiritual sister.................... parents got to go to the wedding and were happy........... moved outta state............... wonderfull.

then they thought i was just inactive for 2-3 yrs........ talked to them every weekend or at least every other weekend. no problems............. then they started askeing questions because my vocabulary had changed..... i spoke of GOD not jehovah........... so dad asked........ are you going to another church........ i ignored the question and kept talking about what i was talking about previous......... he wisely let it drop......... then my mom and sister came to visit........... they were to stupid to let it drop............ and i wasnt ashamed of my new much better choice........... so i told them they really didnt want to know.............. and my sister said........... YEAH I DO WANT TO KNOW......... so i gave them both barrels............ ready to defend the lord and all that. they went home the next day............... didnt call me for almost a week........... these are people that normally would have called half way home to let me know they were getting there safe............ and then 3/4 and the minute they got home............. so i knew the fix was in. from that moment untill I CALLED THEM to let them know they were gonna be grandparents........... they didnt speak with me. when i made that call.......... i would have been on that phone till the battery went dead under normal circumstances............ 3 minutes and they mysteriously HAD TO GO............. now i know their schedules and call accordingly......... they had NO WHERE TO GO that night.

since then my son has now reached a year of age............ mom and sis came for birth and were ignorant as hell. dad did not come....... i finally took the boy to see his non jw greatgrandmothers and stopped by on the way........ my dad knew when i was comeing into town......... made other arraingments and only got to spend 30 minutes with the boy......... and thats cause i stayed an extra 3 hours in their city before moving on. went to see family......... 3 hours away from them......... mom and sis came up and spent an hour or two with us......... dad didnt......... on the trip back he spent about 2 hours over 2 days with the boy........ then we came home.... i called when we got home to let people know.................. thats been thanksgiving time........... no response.

so a fade NEVER ends ...........so maybe im not DF'ed but the only reason i didnt want to be was because of my family........... now THAT dosent matter. so be forewarned........... you wont be able to say a damn thing about your REAL life to your family. but the rest of its EASY.............. no pressure...........

so move out of state............. start looking for a GOOD quality person to start dateing........ forget all the jw bulls***. make your own life for yourself, fulll of things YOU and your GF to be enjoy.

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Where we go from here is a choice I leave to you

by coolhandluke in

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that is one of my favorite lines from the matrix.

the lines proceeding it are: .

fear.

primitivegenius

so were yours bro........... powerfull indeed....... free empowerd minds can think thos thoughts cant they

30

Ex wife is getting remarried at the end of the month

by Billzfan23 in

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wow... didn't take her long.. the ex-wifey is getting remarried at the end of the month.

we were officially seperated on march 27th of '06... she didn't waste any time, although he's a j-dub... he's a good guy and i wish her the best... celebrate with me folks!

smile.... .

primitivegenius

dawg.......... roflmfao.......... thats hilarious.............. yeah hot asians being what they are........ i couldnt marry someone that i couldnt talk to......... tho i do like some asian food.

billz sorry for the shock of it...... hope things work out in the best way possible

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Loss of privileges when family member is disfellowshipped

by Agnes in

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if a family member is disfellowshipped (for example a son or a daughter) what sort of "privileges" would a family lose?

would they still be permitted to have bible studies in their home, go out in field service and would they be marked as bad association?

agnes

primitivegenius

As far as pioneering goes, it is virtually never an issue. Certainly, they don't want
other family members to stop going out in the magazine and book selling work.

so you would think..... but i have known of cases where the boe was especially vindictive and even told the wife of an elder they no longer wanted her to pioneer........... at first it was for 6 months and then they kept finding reasons NOT to allow her to resume.............. this was a sister who had pioneered for 8 years continuously previous to the elders asking her to stop....... and all over her husband being a so called TROUBLESOME elder who wouldnt just play ball....... he honestly felt he was appointed by holy spirit to do the job of sheparding the flock to jehovahs standards....... wonderfull brother......... they made him "step aside" as an elder or else they were gonna delete him. no sin involved other than being too good at his job.

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Where we go from here is a choice I leave to you

by coolhandluke in

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friends

that is one of my favorite lines from the matrix.

the lines proceeding it are: .

fear.

primitivegenius

way serious bro. fact is before we were all guaranteed salvation if we put those 10 hours a month in fs and if we made all our 5 meetings a week and studied ahead of time and read those 4 mags and the odd publication every month............ kinda like the jews of old under the law............ they couldnt keep it and neither could we...... but they held that F*&^%$# carrot out there ahead of us and made us feel like s*** because we never could reach it........... but we felt we had a handle on life and what god wanted of us....... most of us felt superior over the normal person who we thought struggled onward day after day pursueing the goal of higher education and makeing a living........... all to be destroyed by armageddon.........

now where are we............ trying to make up for lost time getting educated to provide for a family we may or may not have managed to aquire........... who may or may not be still in the cult.............afraid we cant do this or that and wondering how much of the jw teachings were based on what god truely wants of us and how much were total bulls***. trying to get a handle on what life TRUELY is and where we truely fit into it. we either choose to do this with god......... or in doubt of his very existance..... i personally choose to belive that he does exist and that he does care for me......... i dont belive in that "fear him like a child fears to displease his parent" bulls***........... instead the god i worship cares for me like i care for my own son............ nothing he wont do for me but i gotta grow and learn what he wants to teach me.......... so i hope im learning fast enough.

goals............... there just like working hard......... all that gets you is more hard work and the pride and sense of a job well done when accomplished.......... i think its worth more than gold..... to know you did something well.

i find that if i give my fears to much power i become totally useless and am incapable of accomplishing anything. i try to put the fears aside because then all those rules and limits they kept slamming us with in that cult........... it all goes away ... if only for a while and i find i can accomplish so much more than i ever dared to dream before. all built upon successes i accomplished one by one..... i wont let a body of janitors tell me ill never reach my goals or to in any other way squash them ever again.

some day THEY CAN CLEAN MY GUEST QUARTER BATHROOMS.

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Trusting The Authorities

by minimus in

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do you believe that the authorities should always be trusted?.

in some big cities, it is not uncommon for some police to be crooked.

some cops are known to pull over minorities simply because of prejudice.. in atlantic city, a mayor almost always in under indictment for bribery or some shady dealings.. in florida, it is being reported today in the news that the fire chief snapped pics of a young woman in a horrific accident.

primitivegenius

ok police and firefighters.............. they are both put in a position of power....... one is supposed to protect you from lawbreakers and the other is supposed to stop your house from burning........ or stop the house next to yours from burning there by keeping your house from catching on fire......... i think they do the best they can........ but in any situation your gonna have the good eggs and the bad apples..... the good ones give it their all and you can tell......... the others........... they do things so that by the book it appears they did their job............ some cops take money and goods from drug busts......... but can you say that some firefighters dont pick up a thing or two from a partially burnt apartment? you cant.......... and they have........ so what.

can you trust all of them 100% hell no but ususally you can tell those who you can give some trust to. as far as that goes................... when you get on a plane.......... whos going through your baggage? are they the good eggs or the bad apples...........?

same with every profession.

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Fluff survey - Would you rather...

by serendipity in

survey inspired by glamour magazine - .

men: .

a. a hot chick who wanted to totally control you or .

primitivegenius

well i woulda always picked B but when i got married i got my hot chick (she still is) who wanted to do things her own way...... cause thats how she always did things........... and it took me a while to realize that she NEEDED me to take control sometimes.

i try to be flexible but i was more of a pushover when we first got married, but letting her do what she wanted got us into some situations i would have rather not had to deal with. my wife is smart as hell but her way of doing things isnt very well thought out.......... so we are a good match.... i can think in ways that she cant and she can be spontanious and we just mix well together. i wouldnt want to control her completely but i found out i HAD to control her ......... somewhat for the good of both of us.

does that make any sense?

NOTHING HONEY IM DELETEING IT RIGHT NOW........................ JK lol

16

CO and $$$$

by megaflower in

i know that the co recieve a small allowance from the society , plus the local cong take care of health and car insurance( which is still more than some individuals get).

when the co makes his semi annual visit to the local cong the publishers like to donate $$ to the co and his wife.

i remember one cong i attended in texas.

primitivegenius

ive known some cos that were truely legit.......... who took the job because they belived it was where they could serve the best......... and ive known some who i found out after the fact encouraged handouts........... so guess there are a few so called good eggs......... tho i dont see how they cant reconize the rotten core of the society.

what i always just stare at with a expression of disbeleif is when they start bitching about brothers who are working nights or weekends................ just trying to keep their familys fed......... cause thats the only job they can find locally that will do it. im like......... dude(a$$hole) you get your car for free......... rent for free......... food for free.......... who knows what else for free......... so STFU

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Should I DA myself?

by OMG! Now What? in

i'm new here and am hoping to get some support and become normal again.

i'm going to tell my story below, sorry in advance for how long it is, but i've really gotta get a grip on who i am now and what i need to do.

since before my baptism and for four years, my children and i attended every meeting.

primitivegenius

wish i could say that your experience wasnt typical............. cause it should be a horrible rare occurance in an organization that claims to be directed by holy spirit. unfortunately its all to common as many have shown.

fact is......... if you decide to write the DA letter........... your following THEIR rules.......... why bother.

you surely realize that they only love bomb you to get you to sign up and then try to brainwash you into pushing their posionous publications upon other innocent ones to try and hook them........... thats their established MO.

they have NOTHING from god...... they are not the one "TRUE" religion.

now if you are in a position to move and change your phone number.... that will make it harder for them to bother you........ but not everyone can do that. IT WORKED WONDERS FOR ME. i left the state and have only been back to visit.

with you not having any jw family........... then reconnect with your family and friends and ignore those jw fools.

now personally my wife has an aunt who is so very concerned with her own status in the congregation, her husband(deceased) was one of those men who gave half the talks at the district convention, who hobnobbed with the top people....... and the entire district LOVED HIM..... no WORSHIPED him........ was a total bastard at home ...... constant verbal abuse....... total tool. she stays in her old cong tho........ to get that continued adoreation.

well recently my wife and i decided to SIMPLIFY because of a mortgage adjustment... well her aunt was told by mother in law.. our situation...... and instead of trying to help us decides to bash us and scold my wife on issues we have already beaten ourselfs up about.......... so wife walks out and aunt becomes a queen B. all this after the house was sold........... she claims to family that she wants to help......... but she told my wife she wanted to buy the house as a VACATION PROPERTY for herself. she told someone else that she wanted to buy it to run a business out of........... and she told family that she wanted to help us keep the house in the family...........

so she takes personal information about us that makes us look foolish...... which in fact takes tons of pressure off of us........ and lets us live a better life........ a decision we came to after much debateing and were happy with.............. and tells ALL MY WIVES FAMILY....... and makes it look like my wife was mean to her when she was trying to help us............

so i tell my wife........ your aunt is lucky were christians....... cause if we werent we would allow ourselves to reveal her faults............ and she has many........... and she would look twice as foolish to the family..... instead i said............... hey babe....... wanna write a letter of DAing to her old cong?

wife bursts into hales of laughter............ turns red in the face...... imagineing the announcement..........

"olga" is no longer one of jehovahs witnesses (name changed of course) and the ensueing rush by EVERYONE to know why their favorite regular pioneering super publisher is no longer a jw.......... did she do something......... what happened........... etc etc etc.

little miss im so perfect and everyone adores me........... haveing to explain why her neice is now an apostate, after all the lies she has told people when they asked before.................. oh the shame.

now i reconize NO authority of the society over me or my wife.......... but i told her if she wanted to do that i would send a DA letter to my old cong.......... then we would laugh our a$$es off. but she said shes not ready for that........ so it wont happen.

some crazy reason like that is the only reason i would ever DA

ive left that cult and want NOTHING from those fools

9

Outlaw please read

by mouthy in

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friends

when i asked you nicely to get that darn dog outta here ....i didnt think you would..do this to him!!!

boo hoo.

now i feel like a murderer .....................

primitivegenius

i heard he tasted like chicken.......... in that stirfry.................

lol