if i was a russian brother i would be wondering what exactly is the gb doing to help us out.
they are sitting in their lakeside corporate country club doing nothing while outside worldly agencies are making known our plight.
i found it puzzling that they flew out of russia like a bat out of hell as soon as the court rendered its decision leaving us high and dry.
One of the problem with Russian JWs waking-up process is a pretty toxic environment amongst Russian-speaking ex-JW community. Many of ex-JWs went on to co-operate with FSB (ex-KGB), and its religious department under the banner of 'Russian Orthodox Church'. The largest Russian-speaking ex-JW online forum is also controlled by quite suspicious personalities.
I'd say the problem of Russian 'apostates' is similar to that of the Borg's - they're the worst enemies of themselves.
at the 2018-2019 be bold circult assembly yesterday.
yes, curcult, change the i to an l. because when they have 2 demonstrations about youths not going to university and another talk says for adults at work to be bold and refuse birthday treats being given away, it shows so much pettiness and lack of real concern for the people.. i was actually looking forward to the ca because a week before tornadoes went through our circuit and passed 2 miles by a kingdom hall and less than 1 mile by another that had meetings that afternoon.
i was expecting the circult overseer to give a report on it.
I've been to this assembly recently - though, I haven't payed much attention to what was said there (used the time to read some book on my phone). There was still some BS that caught my attention - like saying persecution in Russia will help brothers improve their personality/qualities, also there were some warnings about not following our friends/elders/family members who leave the borg.
All in all - same ol' BS.
this is a little hard to believe.
(2018 article).
this article must have slipped by me because i never heard of this before.. .
By default, I believe every word coming out of the mouth of Russian gov't or media to be a lie/BS/propaganda (given their track-record of permanent blatant lies on any subject).
https://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.
at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.
ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.
These JW tortures might sound shocking at a first glance - but would you be surprised if something similar happened in, let's say, Saudi Arabia?
The key point here is to understand the current level of craziness happening on the territory of a "gas station masquerading as a country". Violence is something common to people living there. They teach their little kids to kill/die since early years in the kindergarden. Even the USSR has not been that crazy - at least, in its later years.
Guess who are they getting ready to kill in the next decade or two?
JWs' sad story is just one of the millions others.
jehovah's witnesses are presecuted in russia.
on par with the is and other terroristic groups.
it happened when the anti-extremism laws were extended to non-violent groups.. i don't believe that russia actually cares for the well-being of their citizens with this move and probably merely a law to stop other political forces (and the jws are one in a way, since their gather authority over large groups of people and also have their own political and judicial institutiona), but are they right about it anyway?.
@Corney - agree with you 99%, except for calling 'The Russian Orthodox Church' a church - when it's a FSB/KGB propaganda department, in fact.
thanks to atlantis and his sources, we are able to examine material from the alleged "faithful slave" which is intended only for the eyes of the shepherds wolves in the congregation.. information needed for visit of circuit overseer .
all congregation accounts records covering the period since the last visit, which would include any bankbook being used and the records for any additional accounts being kept by the congregation.
(do you have excess money which should have been given to us?).
They're really gone wild during the last years trying to squeeze off everything they can out of the rank-and-file. I was a PIMO already, but still attended a KH construction site (to please my family, mostly) - and I was really astonished with the level they don't care about ordinary volunteers: extreme disregard for safety, lack of elementary work-tools compensated by unnecessary manual labor, etc. Gosh!
jehovah's witnesses are presecuted in russia.
on par with the is and other terroristic groups.
it happened when the anti-extremism laws were extended to non-violent groups.. i don't believe that russia actually cares for the well-being of their citizens with this move and probably merely a law to stop other political forces (and the jws are one in a way, since their gather authority over large groups of people and also have their own political and judicial institutiona), but are they right about it anyway?.
The last reason Russia banned JWs is because of Jdubs being 'destructive' and caring for people's well-being. The only thing they need now (similarly, to JWs, BTW) is not to loose full control of minds/behavior of the people they're robbing.
single zipped folderhttps://we.tl/t-uiqj87wimd.
2019-02-02-musical preludeshttps://we.tl/t-zyfpnodizd.
s-21-e congregation's publisher record (2018-12).pdfhttps://we.tl/t-i9qamx3s0q.
Thanks, @Atlantis!
Hail the "Underground"! :)
Not sure I'll find time to read the whole stuff - but at least will look through if there is anything interesting in the eldubs manuals :)
friends:.
simon's forum is much more than just a forum where we come to expose the watchtower.
it is a place that simon wanted people to be able to come to, to receive help, support, or find a compassionate listener.. this forum has exposed the watchtower more times than any forum on the net.
It's hard to say something meaningful to a person you haven't ever met or at least talked to - but anyway, you guys (and ladies :) ) are awesome in your stand for what is right, and for not becoming too bitter because of being misled and mistreated by the ones you trusted most.
I feel sorry for those who suffered because of providing the 'jwleaks' - but who knows, maybe it will eventually turn for the better.
whatever we think of it, you have to admit that it's quite "genius".. the door to door ministry as done in western developed countries where the jw quirky religion has probably reached their saturation level was a complete and utter waste of time in terms of the effort expended to recruit people.. at the same time, it was rarely something that anyone enjoyed which led to people being labelled as inactive, being pressured to doing more and maybe ultimately deciding jwism wasn't for them and leaving.. there was also the issue that many jws are actually pretty bad at knowing and articulating their beliefs so were pretty incapable of getting any meaningful message across.. they solved all this with the cart witnessing.
the real point isn't to recruit, it's to make life easier for jws.
now they can stand and chat with their friend, have a coffee, not talk to anyone or make eye contact and still act as a walking billboard for jw.org.
Any Publisher can man the cart
@newdawnfades - I can't agree with that completely: I could suggest there are congos out there where it's true, but it's definitely not the case everywhere. IMHO, it depends on how closely the local elders follow the directions from the branch. At the same time, metropolitan cart is definitely different level of access, almost unreachable for a rank-and-file jdub (can't say that's a big deal, but it's yet one more stupid & annoying arrangement).
