SnailsPace2

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  Interesting view on JW's by UN legal

  by snare&racket in

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  a recently deceased human right worker howard clark who worked for watchtower co rights, remembered..... "i knew howard basically on the c.o.

  issues which had become an agenda item at the u.n. commission on human rights, which met in geneva.

  however, as countries dropped conscription in favor of a professional military or developed alternatives to military service, the only c.o.s left were members of the watchtower society (jehovahs witnesses), whose theology seemed strange to howard, all the more so that in some watchtower publications, the returning jesus seems less nonviolent than the first time around!

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  Hahha. That "two seater" comment reminded me a public talk recently. The brother was from a different hall and apparently didn't realize (or maybe he did) that most in our hall were pretty well off or like to give the impression of it. His big illustration about the snares of materialism consisted of a person's decision to purchase a new car or not. I kept waiting for him to say something about "is the car a two-seater and not suitable for service? Or is a luxury model that guzzles gas" but he never did. He just left it at "new car" so apparently we should only be buying used cars now. . . . I bought a new car a few months ago
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  DEC 2013 WT Article - Slave for Jehovah - warning: ranting ahead

  by ohnightdivine in

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  this morning's wt study almost made me vomit, stand up, pick up my bag and rush to the door.. of course it never happened.

  instead, i was able to make some nice drawings on my tablet and notepad.. if you replace the name jehovah with watchtower, or the governing 8 men, it would really make sense.. what's up with all that nonstop guilt-mongering about education and having a decent job?!.

  most people look down on the uneducated, and i remember, when i didn't have a job, nobody cared!.

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  Just FYI, in my area most young ones are ignoring this advice and going ahead to pursue higher education and doing so with the support of their parents.
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  Have you ever had a hallucination? What was it like?

  by Nathan Natas in

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  i have almost never had a visual hallucination and i was wondering what they're like.

  how "real" do they seem?

  is there any kind of a hint you get that tells you they are not real?

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  SnailsPace2

  This thread has been very interesting to read.
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  VERY CONFIDENTIAL LETTER - Child abuse 10/01/2012

  by WatchTower87 in

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  confidential letter child abuse http://adf.ly/auxbu.

  to all bodies of elders.

  the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

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  SnailsPace2

  Soooooo . . . . a child abuser, even one in a case with two witnesses, even one with is labeled a "predator" is allowed to be involved in the preaching work? Is this correct? As in the society thinks it's ok for him to knock on doors of unsuspecting families who have no idea of his past? Tell me I'm missing something.
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  My little guy asked me why I don't go to the meetings

  by SnailsPace2 in

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  i just wanted to share a cute story about my 6 year old.

  he has been asking me why i haven't been going to the meetings recently.

  i couldn't avoid it any longer so i sat down with him and told him that mommy has learned some things from the bible that is different from what the meetings teach.

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  I just wanted to share a cute story about my 6 year old. He has been asking me why I haven't been going to the meetings recently. He sometimes goes with my in-laws without me. I couldn't avoid it any longer so I sat down with him and told him that mommy has learned some things from the Bible that is different from what the meetings teach. He wanted to know what. I told him that some things that are said at the meetings isn't from the Bible but 8 men who live in New York City made it up. When I said this his jaw literally dropped and he stared at me like that was the dumbest thing he has ever heard. He said "How can 8 men in New York know what God and Jesus want?" . . . . exactly.

  I can see how this will eventually bite me in the butt when he lets it slip to his grandparents, but I wanted to be honest with him in a way he would understand (and he made me proud with his response)
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  Quite an interesting first meeting with my Therapist.

  by truthseekeriam in

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  the moment i mentioned jehovah's witnesses he headed over to his file cabinet and handed me this print out.. .

  dear beloved one, .

  i see your loneliness and fears.

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  SnailsPace2

  Is this a therapist in the medical sense or a christian based church counselor?
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  Christmas - love it or leave it?

  by Xanthippe in

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  i am just watching my neighbours across the road putting up christmas lights while their children run around bursting with excitement.

  i am feeling all christmassy now.

  can't wait for my daughter to come home from uni next weekend so we can go and buy a tree from the garden centre.

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  My little one learned about the "elf on the shelf" recently at school. For those of you who don't know, it's a little elf doll that supposedly comes to life at night and does silly things for the children to discover in the morning. He kept talking about it and how if he had one he would sleep with it at night so he can feel it come to life.

  Even though I have only recently discovered TTATT, and our relationship with Christmas this year mainly conisists of just allowing him to do the holiday crafts at school and attend the class holiday party, I couldn't help but want to capture that little bit of childhood wonder while he's still young enough. So I purchased the elf doll tonight. He will have to walk through ribbon that has been criss-crossed across his bedroom door tomorrow morning, and find the doll with the ribbon spool and tape in its hands. I'm so excited to see his reaction.
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  post meeting dirty moods.

  by zeb in

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  so you are 'out' and the other in 'in'.

  do they come home with the grumps after every meeting?.

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  I stopped going to the mid-week meeting first because it made me so grumpy. I wouldn't get home until almost 10 and after going non-stop since 6am, I was tired and grumpy. I used to take my 6 year old with me and we would both be in such foul moods by the time we got home. I'm glad I decided that him going to bed at a decent time was more important than him sitting at the meeting coloring with crayons, so now neither of us go. And I love spending the evening on my couch in my pjs!
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  Hello everyone! I could use some advice

  by SnailsPace2 in

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  most of the time i just lurk .

  lots of times throughout the day.

  however, something has come up that i would like some advice on, especially from members who were exiting the jw religion with young children.. .

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  Thank you so much! I knew you guys would offer some great perspectives on the issue, including stuff that has not even crossed my mind yet. I am writing some of this down to discuss with my husband.
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  Hello everyone! I could use some advice

  by SnailsPace2 in

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  most of the time i just lurk .

  lots of times throughout the day.

  however, something has come up that i would like some advice on, especially from members who were exiting the jw religion with young children.. .

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  Hi everyone here!

  Most of the time I just lurk . . .everyday . . . lots of times throughout the day. However, something has come up that I would like some advice on, especially from members who were exiting the JW religion with young children.

  Let me give you a brief history of my journey to this point. My husband and I were both raised as JW's. We met while we were both out/inactive in our very early twenties. We married and wanted to be serious and do things the right way so we starting going to the meetings again. I finally got baptized. Fast forward a few years and my husband is inactive and has done his research about the JW religion and no longer wants nothing to do with it. I continued to attend meetings with my son a few more years. Then the July 2013 Watchtower happened, and I began my mental journey out of the religion.

  Our son is now 6. He is bright, kind and caring. He has a very evident spiritual side (not due to me or my husband, but mostly it's just his nature.) Now that its becoming apparent to my husband's parents that I will no longer be attending the meeting , they are worried about our son. They want to pick him up to attend meetings and go out in service. My husband and I agree we want to limit his interaction with the religion, but not necessarily his grandparents. My father in law wants us to allow my son to make the decision if he wants to attend the meetings or not. If I gave my son that option, I know he will decide to attend.

  So my question is, if any of you had children around this age, what did you tell them? How did you convince them? Like I said before, he's a bright boy. He understands a lot of the JW doctrine already. A simple solution would be to show him how fun the holidays and bithdays can be, but he's too indoctrinated for that. Plus that is not my parenting style. I prefer to reason with him and he responds to that sort of parenting. I have always tried to raise him to be a thinker. My original plan was to continue this process of emphasizing how important it is to think critically, and ask questions, and look at the evidence. Then when he is a little older he could see the Witnesses for what they are. Now I realize I don't have that time. He is also starting to ask questions about why I dont attend the meetings anymore.

  I'm not 100% sure what I believe, which makes it even more difficult. My husband wants him to live his life in the belief that there is someone out there to who we are are accountable to. Although at this point, I dont necessarily believe that, I'm willing to go along with it. I live in what's known as the Bible belt of the U.S. So his life will be easier if he had some belief in God. My husband likes the arguement that when Jesus was preaching, he wasn't trying to set up a church or organization, but basically telling people how to live a good life. I could tell him about this and then explain that people believe many different things, most of it is directed by the church and not Jesus. At four years old my little boy would pray that his preschool friends not be destroyed. He still believes this. My response used to be "keep praying about it." Now what do I tell him that won't confuse him anymore? I just feel like he's going to walk away from this very very confused more than anything else.