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  Sunday School etc....

  by quellycatface in

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  2. friends

  i have never understood why the jw's did'nt have a sunday school or some kind of educational thing going for children.

  it seems pretty selfish and antiquated.. i remember growing up, i was terrified of "satan" and "the demons".

  not forgetting the "jehovah is watching you" crapola.. i think it's wrong letting young kids listen to fairly adult themed talks, items etc....it's got to affect them mentally.. any thoughts?.

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  I think they did have a class for teens and children around the 1940s or sometime back then. Maybe someone knows more about this. I could be wrong. Since then, they stick to the "one size fits all" idea. I remember hearing brothers from the platform saying that we have the necessary "spiritual food" at the meetings for all ages. They discourage parents from having their little kids nap, have toys or color during the meetings. They pretty much expect them to sit down quietly and listen the whole time and then go on to critizise other Christian religions for providing child care services and seperate schools.

  It would be nice to provide something for children. All I remember about meetings as a child was daydreaming and not paying attention the majority of times. And maybe occasionally given the task or writing down bible texts and tally the number of times the name Jehovah and Jesus came up at the meetings.
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  Encouraging Experience

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we all know how the the witnesses love "encouraging experiences".

  i will leave one for you.

  enjoy.. 2014 yearbook, page.

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  Wait a second, aren't toddlers at that age barely learning how to speaking? Kid won't even know what's going on, they just do what the parents tell them to. I'm sure Anilpa finds door knocking to be more of a game than to really understand what it's really all about. I'm sure most JWs will find this to be a cute, encouraging story with a: "if a 17 month old can do it, so can I" thought and taking their kids along with them.
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  What are the feelings/thoughts within 24-48 hours of exposure to an undeniably true (for you) TATT?

  by NeverKnew in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  many of us know where we were during 9/11 or when john kennedy and martin luther king were killed.. it seems that when faced with ttatt, real truth is dismissed as "ol' light" or "an imperfect group of men" but from what i gather, many of you, at some point, were hit with a component of ttatt that shattered all of those cliches that allowed you to brush off the obvious reality that something was very wrong.

  some of you may remember the hours following your earliest exposures to an undeniably true tatt.

  did you zone completely out?

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  When I learned TTATT, I just want to keep reading more, learning more, and investigating to prove to myself what was said was true. It made me realize there was another side of the story I didn't know about because it was demonized and I began to think how I was raised by family to believe in this for my whole life. It's kind of like a loss of identity, I couldn't believe all that was hidden and kept from the people. (and I'm one of the younger members on this forum). TTATT kept going on in my head throughout the day. It also affected my dreams that's for sure, I had watchtower and JWs in my dream for some days after that.
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  Remember what they said at the assembly today...

  by lrkr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, the wife and i are reminiscing today about how when you would leave an assembly- you would struggle to remember just one interesting point.

  usually- you had to look at your notes or the program to just remember 1 thing that struck you.

  all day of talking and less than :30 seconds of information retained!!!.

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  the average attention span of an adult is 20 minutes. The assemblies are like 8 hours long of just sitting and listening so it's no surprise that there's a struggle to remember interesting points. I tend to forget a lot of the things said. Plus my mind starts wandering off after just sitting there for hours listening to some guy talk for so long. And don't forget about post-lunch time, that's where sleepiness starts sneaking in.
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  Morris in Italy

  by Achille in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  morris in italy, january 5, 2014. http://forum.infotdgeova.it/viewtopic.php?p=281371#p281371.

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  " Don’t you know they [homosexuals] love it when you’re wearing tight pants? Oh yeah…."

  uhmm, wait a second- how does he know this??
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  why is the org acting worried?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the latest statistics from the year book seems to indicated that no great increase of leavers, so why is the org seem to be acting like thier worried?

  more talks about apostates, more asking for money, more talks about loyalty, etc.

  what's up?.

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  It's 2014, 100 years since 1914. They're just trying to keep people in place, keep them from leaving. They're worried that many will leave after this year since Armaggedon and the great tribulation hasn't arrived "in a short period of time". They're afraid that members will lose faith and come across apostate website and media since it's easy to access thanks to the internet. And as some already said, members must be donating less money now.
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  Question about 9/11 and the WT.

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

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  some friends familiar with wt gossip have told me that the decision to move out of ny was in part accelerated by the tragic events of 9/11.. my take on this is that decision to relocate was made a long time before, however they counter that a move was planned but not the total detachment that is occurring.. i wonder if anyone here has an opinion or information on this.. thanks.

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  I can remember being told the 9/11 reason by the tourist guide at bethel in Brooklyn. This was in 2009. It's a possiblity that it's one reason for the move, but in my opinion, I think there's more than just that story.
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  Child custody problems

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is the letter that was read today in the congregation:.

  to all congregations in the united states territory.

  re:child custody packet.

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  A.proclaimer

  This is the letter that was read today in the congregation:

  To all congregations in the United States territory

  Re:child custody packet

  Dear Brothers:

  A packet of legal material is available to assist publishers who are involved in lawsuits over child custody and visitation matters in which our religion is under attack. The packet should be requested by the body of elders only in a case in which is evident that the publisher's religious beliefs will be at issue. For those facing secular issues on child custody or visitation, helpful information can be found on the October 2009, Awake!, pages 21 and 27; the December 8, 1997, Awake!, pages 3-12; the chart found in the April 22, 1991, Awake!, page 9; and the October 8, 1988, Awake!, pages 2-14.

  Notice how they use emotive language: "our religion is under attack". They must be having an issue with this if they sent out a letter to be read.
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  Where the need is greater: TTATT in Spanish

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems most of the us growth is in spanish-speaking territory, and of course, there is growth in the nations where spanish is the predominant language.

  most sites oriented around ttatt, are english-speaking.

  there seems then to be a great need for translators...for instance, imagine if there was a spanish version of www.jwfacts.com.. unfortunately, i dont speak this language.

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  A.proclaimer

  Hey there!

  I speak Spanish and am willing to help with translating the jwFacts Website. I have access to old watchtower publications as far as those from the 1960's. I've actually figured out most of the formula for where each English and Spanish watchtower are located In that past Because as Jwfacts said, they were released much later. I have also started translating pages from jwfacts website on my own time if anyone wants to use them. i can help Out
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  Death and beliefs

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is an interesting theory he talks about concerning death.

  especially at 4:07 and on where he discusses the "death bias" and how it can influence people's beliefs.

  4 basic stories about death:1) finding a "cure" to death 2) resurrection 3) immortal soul 4) legacy.

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  A.proclaimer

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=PB7xs7UpIfY

  hopefully the video will show up here. If not apologies.