Woah a choice between Scientology and Jehovah'a Witnesses?? Hahaha, that made me lose all credibility for that guy. I dont think he has done enough research, either that or he's easily convinced.
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So I got called on today...
by Thumblina inpoor sod.
i felt quite sorry for him in the end.. for context, i was brought up as a jw since i was very young.
i left 6 years ago (faded) a little before turning 30. i was on here a lot around that time but under a different profile that's no longer active.. for the past 18 months, i'm back living in the territory of the congregation i grew up in.
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The Golden Rule, proof that a higher intelligence did NOT write the Bible
by jws inthe golden rule, matthew 7:12:.
so in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the law and the prophets.. .
a whle back i had a management course.
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The Bible isn't the only place you'll find this rule. It's in Confusionism, Hinudism, Buddhism, etc.
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G.B. ARRANGED A MEMORIAL WITHOUT EMBLEMS!
by The Searcher inweird!.
http://ilynca.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/unforgettable-memorial.html?spref=fb.
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This is really strange. Two problems happen with not having emblems:
1) You remove the chance of anyone who could potentially want to partake in the emblems. It's already been noted that during the memorial discussion, they highly discouraged partaking but now they've gotten rid of the whole thing.
2) The emblems are part of the ritual, one of the most important parts of the whole thing. Other than that, it's like going to another meeting. That's what makes the whole experience unique.
I'm sure Jesus wouldn't mind if something other than unleavened bread and wine if it wasn't available.
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Mark Sanderson is NOT an overlapper..
by DATA-DOG ini had the opportunity to speak with 5 elders at once recently.
they were all gibbering about jw stuff, so i asked , who was the first fds?!?!
it must have been rutherford, right??
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It is a mess. Basically its this:
Group 1: anointed before or during 1914. (Group 1 had to have ended in the 1990's in theory)
+ Group 2: anyone anointed while members of Group 1 were alive (contemporaries of Group 1; had to be anointed at the latest by the 1990's)
= "this generation"
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Mark Sanderson is NOT an overlapper..
by DATA-DOG ini had the opportunity to speak with 5 elders at once recently.
they were all gibbering about jw stuff, so i asked , who was the first fds?!?!
it must have been rutherford, right??
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Data-Dog, they thought that Stephen Lett isnt part of "the generation"? From the sound of it, it looks like they didn't know how to respond to what you told them but to just go along. I have a feeling that they don't even understand this doctrine!
So then Sanderson would be part of "the generation" but not according to the way the elders responded. The January Watchtower made the whole thing sound urgent, up to the same old tricks.
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Mark Sanderson is NOT an overlapper..
by DATA-DOG ini had the opportunity to speak with 5 elders at once recently.
they were all gibbering about jw stuff, so i asked , who was the first fds?!?!
it must have been rutherford, right??
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Sanderson would be an overlapped depending on when he partook. One online source (can't confirm this) said he started in his 20's. Being born in 1965, that would mean he had to have done it sometimes between 1985-1994. Assuming that Fred Franz was the final partaker before or during 1914 and the last one alive from that time, his death was in 1992 at age 99. If Sanderson started before 1992, he would be part of "this generation" because he partook while there was still a member alive from the first group. If he partook after 1992, he would no longer count.
Lets say that the youngest partakes before Fred Franz death ranged from ages 18-20. Franz died in December of 1992 so there could still be partakers that same year in April. This would mean they were born from 1972-1974. Today those people would be ranging between ages 40-42. Still plenty of time left until they reach a much older age.
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The Generation that will not GO away
by raymond frantz inhi guys looking for all watchtower quotations for the "overlapping generation" doctrine from it's very inception .could you please help ?.
www.jwdoctrine.com.
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yeah, the 2008 teaching would count in this case, they just don't explicitly say the word "overlap." The 1950 quote is really interesting. In that case, the word generation is being defined as "contemporaries" because there are generations that live at the same time, overlapping one another.
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The Generation that will not GO away
by raymond frantz inhi guys looking for all watchtower quotations for the "overlapping generation" doctrine from it's very inception .could you please help ?.
www.jwdoctrine.com.
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These are the only two parts that mention the overlapping generations.
Watchtower April 15, 2010 p.10
13 Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light. (Prov. 4:18) This magazine has long been used by “the faithful and discreet slave” as the primary channel for dispensing increased light. (Matt. 24:45) For example, consider our understanding of those who make up “this generation” mentioned by Jesus. (Read Matthew 24:32-34.) To what generation did Jesus refer? The article “Christ’s Presence—What Does It Mean to You?” explained that Jesus was referring, not to the wicked, but to his disciples, who were soon to be anointed with holy spirit.* Jesus’ anointed followers, both in the first century and in our day, would be the ones who would not only see the sign but also discern its meaning—that Jesus “is near at the doors.”
14 What does this explanation mean to us? Although we cannot measure the exact length of “this generation,” we do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long; and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it surely will have an end.
Watchtower January 15, 2014 p.30, 31
THIS GENERATION WILL NOT PASS AWAY
14 There is yet a third reason for confidence. What has developed among God’s people points to the nearness of the end. For example, prior to the estab- lishment of God’s Kingdom in heaven, a group of faithful anointed ones were actively serving God. When some of their expectations about what would happen in 1914 did not come about, what did they do? Most of them proved their integrity under trials and persecution and kept right on serving Jehovah. Over the years, most—if not all—of those anointed ones have faithfully completed their earthly course.
15 In his detailed prophecy about the conclusion of this system of things, Jesus said: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” (Read Matthew 24:33-35.) We understand that in mentioning “this generation,” Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed Christians. The first group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year. Those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of God in or before that year. —Rom. 8:14-17.
16 The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the first group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth. Thus, not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” of whom Jesus spoke. Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13.
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Who knew that Loesch was a Raymond franz fan haha.
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Need Scanned or Physical Mentally Diseased WT 2011 July/15 pg 15-19
by truthsetsonefree ini am in need of either a physical or scanned copy of the infamous wt 2011 july/15 pg 15-19. it's potentially for a documentary being produced and we are willing to pay.
pm me or email to [email protected].
isaac.
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You can easily find it on jw.org. Just look up the study edition and date 2011.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/?contentLanguageFilter=en&pubFilter=w&yearFilter=2011