Hi Bomatt.........gracious what on earth are you doing here then?..........I take it you will do the done Dub thing which is post something and then runaway runaway!!!
J Gull
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Wrong ASSumptions from apostates
by bomatt6 inthe apostates here have so many wrong assumptions.
anyone that posts against them they assume is defending the society.. i'm neutral towards the society.
i don't defend it nor do i attack it.
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Approaching family- the specialist attack.
by happysunshine ini'm going to approach my family about the witnesses.
i may only get one shot at this, so it'll have to be good.
something short, fast, and effective, but with the possibility of further growth.
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johnathanseagull
Hi happy..........my advise, take it slow and easy..........if you barge in with stories on the UN and Silent lambs, their wall will come up and it might be years before you get another chance..........there have been a couple of chances I've had but not taken yet, but I intend to have my opener as "Were you disappointed when you found out about the affiliation the WTBS had with the UN?" hope this helps
J Gull
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couple of topics from a newbi
by Brummie insince i'm new here you may already know about this, i didnt have time to go through the 5 billion archived posts on this board to see if they had already been discussed.. .
1) bill bowen when he was in england related how jws would drive past his house and keep on honking their car horns (to intimidate)...so he put up a poster outside his house saying "honk for silentlambs"..hahahahahahaahahah , that was a pretty darn cool response huh.
things had never been so quiet after that!.
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johnathanseagull
Hey hey hey..........Lichfield here, born and bred although moved about 15 miles away some years ago, still have dub family......did you used to go the Molineux for the conventions and Dudley for the assemblies LOL
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couple of topics from a newbi
by Brummie insince i'm new here you may already know about this, i didnt have time to go through the 5 billion archived posts on this board to see if they had already been discussed.. .
1) bill bowen when he was in england related how jws would drive past his house and keep on honking their car horns (to intimidate)...so he put up a poster outside his house saying "honk for silentlambs"..hahahahahahaahahah , that was a pretty darn cool response huh.
things had never been so quiet after that!.
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johnathanseagull
Brummie..............still laughing over the tunes!!!!.............are you in fact in near Birmingham as your name suggests......I'm quite close to the great Midland City if you are..............we should meet up sometime?
Regards
J Gull
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Uk Guardian Newspaper
by johnathanseagull ingosh.........with all the excitment going on yesterday, forgot to do my usual trawl through the uk press on line, check out the link for the guardian on thursday 26th.............not sure if this was actually in print on that day........seems we are getting through to the press slowly but surely.
j gull.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2043749,00.html.
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johnathanseagull
Just in case the link didnt work out !!!
J Gull
Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses Speak Out
Thursday September 26, 2002 6:40 AM
TULLAHOMA, Tenn. (AP) - Joe and Barbara Anderson have been abandoned by their peers. Their son won't talk to them, and won't let them see their 3-year-old grandson.
For more than 40 years, Joe and Barbara Anderson were faithful Jehovah's Witnesses, preaching door to door and winning more than 80 converts to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
But now the Andersons are outcasts, excommunicated from the religion they served.
The couple's transgression: Sowing discord in the faith by alleging that the denomination has protected pedophiles and concealed hundreds of child molestation cases.
``Our son and daughter-in-law think what we've done is so horrible,'' Barbara Anderson, 62, said at her sycamore-shaded rural cottage about 65 miles southeast of Nashville.
Like the Roman Catholic Church, Jehovah's Witnesses are dealing with their own sex scandal that involves both rank-and-file and leaders of the faith.
The Jehovah's Witnesses shun the outside world in many respects and refuse to participate in secular government. Critics fear that child-sex allegations are generally not reported to police because of the church's insistence on handling problems internally.
Four Witnesses, including Barbara Anderson, were excommunicated after NBC's ``Dateline'' aired their concerns in May. Joe Anderson, 67, was disfellowshipped, as the church calls it, in July over a letter to headquarters questioning his wife's treatment.
Barbara Anderson worked as a researcher at Watchtower headquarters in the early 1990s and a church official asked her to look into the handling of sexual abuse cases. She said she found hundreds of allegations on record, but kept secret, in church files.
She said church elders used Scripture to argue ``you're not to make an accusation against an older man unless there are two or three witnesses,'' she said. ``No molester is going to have any witnesses, that's for sure.''
Watchtower spokesman J.R. Brown defended Jehovah's Witnesses' policies.
``Clearly, with us having 95,000 congregations around the world and three to five to six elders in each, mistakes may have been made,'' he said. ``But that does not mean that we don't have a strong and aggressive policy that shows we abhor child molestation.''
Brown said that anyone found guilty of molestation by a church judicial committee is removed from all positions of responsibility and cannot evangelize door-to-door without being accompanied by a fellow Jehovah's Witness.
Undeterred, Barbara Anderson co-founded Silentlambs, a support group for church victims. She expects to lead a rally outside Watchtower headquarters in New York City on Friday. Protesters plan to carry stuffed lambs to symbolize the children who have been hurt.
Silentlambs, headed by former Kentucky church elder Bill Bowen, claims the denomination keeps molestations secret, won't let victims warn other members about abusers, and shuns those who speak out.
The church puts its membership at 6 million worldwide, including 1 million U.S. residents. Silentlambs has received calls and e-mails from 5,000 Witnesses reporting mishandled molestation cases, Bowen said.
In the closed society, anyone who is a Witness must cut off contact with disfellowshipped members, even relatives.
``They will not speak to you,'' Joe Anderson said. ``I mean, if you are lying on the road, they will drive right past you.''
Their son, Lance Anderson, 41, a church elder in Mishawaka, Ind., said the intention isn't to punish his parents but to lead them to repentance.
``I have never seen a situation come up in which we have not handled it legally and biblically the best way possible,'' he said.
The son said pedophilia is a global problem but that only God - not man or government - can stop it.
``I love my parents dearly, but the message they have chosen to accomplish this is harming good people,'' he said. ``They are putting themselves, really, in harm's way.''
For the first time, Joe and Barbara Anderson say they're reading religious books and trying to draw their own conclusions.
``It's not that we don't believe the Bible or don't believe religion or don't believe God,'' Barbara Anderson said. ``But we're having fun ... having the freedom to look around and to think about it.''
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Uk Guardian Newspaper
by johnathanseagull ingosh.........with all the excitment going on yesterday, forgot to do my usual trawl through the uk press on line, check out the link for the guardian on thursday 26th.............not sure if this was actually in print on that day........seems we are getting through to the press slowly but surely.
j gull.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2043749,00.html.
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johnathanseagull
Gosh.........with all the excitment going on yesterday, forgot to do my usual trawl through the UK press on line, check out the link for the Guardian on Thursday 26th.............not sure if this was actually in print on that day........seems we are getting through to the press slowly but surely
J Gull
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2043749,00.html
ps...........I am very proud of all you attendees at Friday's march
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hello to warrington and falkirk
by ena inhello to all... i would like to hear from any ex jw from warrington where i lived until i was 13 then moved to falkirk scotland and would love to hear from anyone else who remembers me....god bless ena marsh / young [email protected]
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johnathanseagull
Welcome Ena.................in UK but not from around Falkirk or warrington but welcome all the same.......hope you enjoy your time here
J Gull
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Please Help
by FiveShadows ini just got off the phone with my very good friend, who apparently is in turmoil over the surgery of her "father-like" figure.
he has a heart condition and needs to drink red wine (something in the wine that actually helps his heart) every now and then.
irony being...he was an alcoholic.
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johnathanseagull
Five shadows........he will be in my thoughts and prayers..............keep me posted
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Canadian trial ends......almost.....thanks to all
by needs_lots ini wanted to give everyone who came to my trial a great big "thank you".
it was a very difficult 2 and a half weeks.
the support from this board was overwhelming.
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johnathanseagull
Vicki........we are all so very proud of you and your ability to under go this, be assured that we are all thinking of you and wish you and your family well...........
J Gull
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Brooklyn - Web Cams??
by johnathanseagull inas i'm in the uk..........can anyone give details of the street(s) the march is on in brooklyn?
as i'm trying to see if there is a web cam that i can surf to get images of the march this evening.. .
j gull
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johnathanseagull
As I'm in the UK..........can anyone give details of the street(s) the march is on in Brooklyn? as I'm trying to see if there is a web cam that I can surf to get images of the March this evening.
J Gull