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  A precious gift to all from Jehovah (channelled via Focus)

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some souls here may feel i was a little harsh.

  if so, i am deeply sorry.

  i was abused by a handful right from the start, presumably on the basis of the avatar picture (and 2001 vintage).. when visiting dubland, i often find that others start fights with me - for whatever reason, and i provide quite a supply of them - and when it doesn't quite go the way they expected, they cry persecution.

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  Gentledawn

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/269000/74/The-Pastor-of-my-Old-Church-Tried-to-Re-Convert-Me-Yesterday#4933397
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  higher ed

  by lambsbottom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hurry need recent article showing wt discouraging higher ed.

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  Gentledawn

  Oops, posted wrong link for second half of that letter in a previous reply:

  Part 2

  http://i59.tinypic.com/15846jk.jpg
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  Mental Health Issues in JW Women

  by Seven in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  here's a click to the cultic studies journalissue concerning jw women.

  [url] http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csj_vol14_no1_97/abs_wifely.htm#top[/url]

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  Gentledawn

  Like Terry pointed out in a different post:

  God is love. Love is not jealous. God is a jealous god.

  Have fun working that one out.

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  Romans 16:1 (AMP) "Now I introduce and commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cenchreae,"

  https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%2016:1

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  1 Timothy 3:11 (footnote in NIV): a. "1 Timothy 3:11 Possibly deacons’ wives or women who are deacons"

  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+3%3A11&version=NIV

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  translation of the word : "deacon" = διάκονος (diakonos)

  translation of the word "servant" = υπηρέτης

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  A wikipedia entry on "deacon":

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon
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  higher ed

  by lambsbottom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hurry need recent article showing wt discouraging higher ed.

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  Gentledawn

  March 2012

  Part 1

  http://i59.tinypic.com/qs5swk.jpg

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  Part 2

  http://i59.tinypic.com/qs5swk.jpg

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  One letter split it in half for legibility.

  Love this one quote:

  "However, Satan, the Master of Deception, has made the pursuit of higher education dangerous for a christian."

  Also, degrees of pornia? Since when, Watchtower Leadership? Sheesh. How biblical. Not. Oh, and there's a follow-up letter dated April of that same year which details pornia even more, if mem serves. Bunch of toad-sucking, infantile, hypocritical... grrr. Could go on, but don't wanna spook away any lurkers.
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  Liar, liar your pants are on fire...

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember as kids we would say " liar, liar your pants are on fire" and they wern't were they.

  so that in itself was a lie.. but is lying always so bad?

  i mean for example at an art class as a kid when i had to commented someones work, rather than be nasty, at a picture which was terrible and traced as well !

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  Gentledawn

  Calling it "the truth" is no accidental language/terminology.

  Here is some interesting science (Stroop Effect):

  http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/words.html

  "Colors, Colors
  
  The famous "Stroop Effect" is named after J. Ridley Stroop who discovered this strange phenomenon in the 1930s. Here is your job: name the colors of the following words. Do NOT read the words...rather, say the color of the words. For example, if the word "BLUE" is printed in a red color, you should say "RED". Say the colors as fast as you can. It is not as easy as you might think!"

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  When "the truth" is mostly a LIE, but you repeatedly call the entire conglomeration a "truth"... then that is part of a mind control device, imo.

  jhine wrote:

  Someone must know that this is a cult because the whole way it is run and the members manipulated means that there is some clever thinking behind the practical organisation of it. Some dotty old men who really believe would not know about mind control techniques (which someone clearly does ) . The crafty way the members are tricked into policing each other and the scare tactics used show real thought behind the scenes somewhere .
  
  Jan

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280851/1/How-is-the-org-really-run-What-goes-on-behind-the-scenes#5032430

  The leadership use mind control/brainwashing/coersive persuasion techniques on purpose. It's not by accident that they are structured the way they are, with persuasive talks designed to move the listener, not only to act, but mostly to AGREE. Once they find themselves agreeing even to the simplest notion, then they are invested. The trap has snapped shut. They will do what the speaker has 'suggested' in the third part of the structured "talk".

  • Yes set: get the listener to agree with an idea.
  • Truism: "facts" that are otherwise debatable, tossed out there as plausible truthiness. "Evidentally". "It is apparent". "Picture in your mind: tears of joy rolling down their faces", when nothing like that is said in the scriptures. And so on.
  • Suggestion: the solution that may or may not have anything to do with really resolving anything spoken about previously. Sign over property. Give a kiss. Go door-to-door. Say a prayer. Roll in the aisles. Throw money at the speaker. Wear his brand of tee shirts. Whatever.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed documents showing child abuse allegations against church elder

  by burnedout in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  mark sewell convicted of eight historic sex charges, including rape.

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  i can not copy the link, but go to walesonline.co.uk.

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  Gentledawn

  This story (walesonline article) is now on the front page of Reddit and is the topmost post.

  http://i61.tinypic.com/20axvsz.jpg
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  The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

  this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

  it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

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  Gentledawn

  I have no quarrel with anyone, focus. You can post all you like (as long as the rules/website owner allows). But I'm not gonna participate in any of your nonsense. I've had my fill of sociopaths/psychopaths to last a lifetime.

  You know who else made large lists and dictionary-esque entries? This guy:

  http://el.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Gumba+Gumba

  (looks like all of his entries were pulled down from the English version..? And only 900-ish are visible on this Greek version)

  There used to be 1500-2500 dictionary entries made by that young man (think he was 15-16yo when he made most of em).

  What happened to him, you might ask? More like what happened to her, when he crossed her path in real life:

  http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/06/28/uk-britain-nurse-idUKL2889553820070628

  I was acquainted with the kid long before any of that shit happened. The news of what he'd done came as a mega-shock to hundreds of people on a few web forums, one of which I used to frequent, too.

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  Regarding the Mark Sewell conviction and all the boobery the elders/watchtower leadership pulled/trying to pull:

  There are a lot of articles and websites posting up their own take(s). JWSurvey has an article about the Mark Sewell story now. /r/exjw on Reddit has a mention/discussion going on, too. Even BBC has an article.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed documents showing child abuse allegations against church elder

  by burnedout in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  mark sewell convicted of eight historic sex charges, including rape.

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  i can not copy the link, but go to walesonline.co.uk.

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  Gentledawn

  Hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

  The whole elder body (except one) opposed the legal system. During the actual judicial committees:

  "'There were 12 elders and not one of them stood up – not one': Victim of Jehovah's Witness rapist describes torment"

  http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witness-mark-sewell-jailed-7339113

  Are they (the courts, police, etc) the "superior authorities" or not? What a gaggle of liars the leadership are, because every elder body is directed to contact the branch and/or legal department in cases like this.

  This story is a BIG deal. My husband is in muted, horrified shock.

  ... well, he was for a few minutes at least. But then his cult personality kicked in and he's talking like it's an isolated incident or one-off situation.
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  Kate Wild

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been given permission to post news of our friend.. kate hasn't been very well.

  not well at all.

  i think much of it has been a delayed reaction to her df'ing, the general fallout when leaving the wtbs and family issues.. i just wanted to give you guys the heads up and give you a chance to show how much we care about her.. thanks for listening..

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  Gentledawn

  Hang in there.
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  6th Sense.

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you believe it exists?.

  when you get "a hunch", do you ignore or listen to it?

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  Gentledawn

  Magic beans.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KvrhP1DtE