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  Atlanta International Convention Hotels Not Being Filled Up!

  by James Jackson in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this week our kh devoted the whole service meeting to the upcoming international convention in atlanta.

  they read a 5 page letter from the branch which stated basically that we should feel priviledged to be invited to this convention.. however, many are not using the "recomended lodging list", "many hotels still have plenty of rooms available", "we must be loyal to this arrangement", (or the organization will not get their comp rooms)..

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  baldeagle

  Looks good on them!
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  CO's & DO's age 70+ to be laid off on 9/1/14

  by williamhconley in

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  in a private conversation with a c.o.

  friend from north carolina, he told me yesterday that they just got a letter that all traveling overseers (do's & co's) age 70 & up are going to be laid off on 09/01/2014.

  they will be asssigned to local congregations and further details are pending.. .

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  baldeagle

  In my personal experience of 40 years of “being in” I worked with and met a variety of different CO’s. The minority were hard working men who along with their wives were self-sacrificing and giving. I met some really sincere, genuine, down to earth CO’s who truly displayed a “Christ like” spirit, disposition and personality.

  Having said that, my involvement first as a Ministerial Servant and then as an Elder for many years was thoroughly disappointing. I discovered that the vast majority of these CO’s were pompous, arrogant, self-serving men.

  I never had a problem that they were “Company Men” because that was their ultimate employer, if you will. They had to uphold and enforce the principles and ideals that the Branch demanded, if they wanted to retain their position. They were doing what they were told “or else.”

  Many thought that they were demi-gods when they walked in to the congregation. I remember many BOE’s that actually became anxious and nervous when some of these characters were scheduled for a visit. At the elders meeting, the CO would sit at the front, at a small table and pull out their all-important binders with all the spirit-directed WTS rules and regulations. Most evident was the fact that they hated anyone that would try to challenge them on procedure or decisions. Most CO’s also offered up far too many personal opinions on most subjects, such as, that person, those young ones, his or her job, this couple, etc.

  They liked to judge an individual’s “motives.” Why are they buying a house and not pioneering? Why is this brother not an MS yet? Why is the congregation average so low? Etc. Etc. on and on!

  Over the years they spent hundreds of hours promoting Bethel service, Gilead school, regular pioneering, working with the RBC, or going to MTS. They even encouraged young brothers to reach out for the unique privilege of becoming a travelling overseer in imitation of the Apostle Paul. There was no greater career in this “dying wicked system of things.” Use your youth and vigor to serve your Creator fulltime. After all here was God’s inspired promise:

  (Psalm 37:25) A young man I used to be, I have also grown old, And yet I have not seen anyone righteous left entirely, Nor his offspring looking for bread.

  (Matthew 6:33) “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you.

  Their continued teaching for decades was not to worry about your future, or getting an education, or a good job, or even getting old. If you were serving wholeheartedly in Jehovah’s organization its loving arms of support and appreciation would be guaranteed to be there for you.

  I can’t imagine the Apostle Paul being put out to pasture at any time, and retired, at a specific age by the so-called 1 st century Governing Body!! This has all become a sick joke!!

  If this letter or information is legit the good and honest hearted CO’s we all fondly remember and were touched by, are truly being shafted. The other pompous, pieces of trash deserve whatever they get!! A good rule to follow over recent and future WTS changes no matter what “spin” they put on it is, “Follow The Money.” That is the real reason all of this is happening!!
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  What is the deal with the "this is the last memorial" comments from my JW?

  by jambon1 in

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  the guy i know was saying this the other day.. "it's been suggested this may be the last one", or words to that effect.. where & by whom?.

  is this doing the rounds?.

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  baldeagle

  Same old, same old.
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  Marked
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  Bullet list of major (recent) changes

  by RN in

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  it is with great interest that i recently read ceders article on the decline of the wts.

  his article along with many of the comments really drives home just how many major changes there have been in a fairly short peroid of time.. somewhere in the recent past i could swear that someone had posted a bullet list of major changes with the corresponding year.

  when i saw this (or something like it) my first thought was that this simple list made it all the more shocking; and since i have searched and cannot find anything like it.. so i dug around and started one of my own, please feel free to add/corrects events.

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  Gilead members are to be hand selected under the new arrangement for selection. Only by invitation. As of 2011 I think?

  In a letter dated November 6, 2013, it was announced that a new school will replace the Bible School for Single Brothers (formerly known as the Ministerial Training School, or MTS) as well as the recently formed Bible School for Christian Couples. Single sisters are now welcome at this new training school called, “School for Kingdom Evangelizers.”

  In addition to accepting single sisters for the first time, Watchtower is now welcoming older Witnesses after raising its age limit for applicants to 65. Those applying between the ages of 50 and 65 have been told that they must be self-sufficient (meaning they can provide for themselves) and in no need of financial or medical assistance from the organization.

  Students of the new school must be prepared to be reassigned to new congregations after graduating.
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  How many changes since you have been out?

  by done4good in

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  pixel's boe letter made me think of this.

  i have been out since january 2006. here are the ones i can think of:.

  1. deletion of cong.

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  baldeagle

  Gilead members are to be hand selected under the new arrangement for selection. Only by invitation. As of 2011 I think?

  In a letter dated November 6, 2013, it was announced that a new school will replace the Bible School for Single Brothers (formerly known as the Ministerial Training School, or MTS) as well as the recently formed Bible School for Christian Couples. Single sisters are now welcome at this new training school called, “School for Kingdom Evangelizers.”

  In addition to accepting single sisters for the first time, Watchtower is now welcoming older Witnesses after raising its age limit for applicants to 65. Those applying between the ages of 50 and 65 have been told that they must be self-sufficient (meaning they can provide for themselves) and in no need of financial or medical assistance from the organization.

  Students of the new school must be prepared to be reassigned to new congregations after graduating.
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

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  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Thanks. The points are well made and easy to follow.
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  The Judicial Committee videos in english

  by confusedandalone in

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  not sure if this has been posted but the jwsurvey site received the videos in english from someone.. this crap is pathetic to watch.

  how to counsel someone who is suicidal... really.

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/doubts-over-organizational-solidarity-as-disturbing-video-on-handling-suicide-is-leaked.

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  baldeagle

  I faded almost five years ago. Some brothers who still talk to me are active elders. Two I know completed their five day elder’s school. One had to book off vacation time from work and the other took time off from his own business. This is what I’m missing. How sad!! It’s truly pathetic to see, how low the quality and love in this religion has become.

  Depression is very high. This depression is being caused by many situations not even involving the death of a family member. One of my elder friends who still converses with me said that many elders are having a hard time putting on their “game face.” They too are feeling that the “end” is not as near as expected. Many elders’ wives are displaying signs of wear and tear showing less enthusiasm at the meetings than ever before.

  There appears to be a general feeling of malaise and discontentment in the congregations that has become very hard to reverse. The recent WT articles dealing with “having regrets” and dwelling on past decisions we made etc, is a reflection of the mood in the congregations. Yes even those that were typical go-getters and optimistic are feeling down!
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-09-2014 WT Study (QUICKLY SHAKEN)

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  the wts?.

  we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason.2 thess.

  (1 tim.

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  baldeagle

  Thanks for the summary, Blondie.

  Your hard work is greatly appreciated.
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  Why “Thousands of years” instead of Billions???

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws have long ascribed billions of years to the age of the earth, yet only thousands to the length of the creative days (see 2014 awake!

  on creation).

  what game are they playing??

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  baldeagle

  I’ve added some additional comments found in March 2014 Awake.

  HOW LONG DID GOD TAKE TO CREATE THE UNIVERSE?

  The Bible states that God created “the heavens and the earth.” This broad statement, however, makes no reference to the length of time involved in creating the universe or to the methods he used to shape it. In the Bible account, each of the six creative days could have lasted for thousands of years. God had already created the universe, including a lifeless planet Earth, by the time the first creative day began. Evidently the six creative days were long periods during which Jehovah God prepared the earth for human habitation. The Bible account of creation does not conflict with scientific conclusions about the age of the universe.

  1985 Life—How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? Chap. 3 pp. 26-27 pars. 5&7 What Does Genesis Say?

  5 This last sentence appears to fit the creative “days,” for certainly they were periods when extraordinary events were described as happening. It also allows for periods much longer than 24 hours.

  7 It would seem reasonable that the “days” of Genesis could likewise have embraced long periods of time—millenniums.

  WT January 1, 1987 p. 30

  Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week. (Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long…..and humans have existed, not for 49,000 years, but for about 6,000 years.

  Blondie made an excellent point: “The WTS has backed off using the phrase 7,000 years but here it shows the concept is still official.” I looked it up for myself and as she quoted it’s found in a recent WT study namely the October 15, 2012. This was news to me.

  Over the years I noticed they were using expressions like, millenniums, thousands of years, extended over many thousands of years, each of these epochs evidently lasted thousands of years, etc.”

  I asked some JW’s over the years (when I was still involved) and many said that the literal view of 7000 years per creative day had been discarded and many more said they were unsure what the real answer was!!

  Evidently the 2012 WT reveals that their still hanging on to the 7000 years for the creative days.