(heated response - your brought it and now I'm bringing it)
Good lord Yizuman...
You know I wasn't going to reply to this highly heated debate but dude give it a break. It is obivous that you think abortion is wrong good for you but are you for real? I think you are a butcher for your lack of acturate knowledge of anything related to the whole process of sex, birthing and abortion not to mention your weak attempt to flirt with the women posters - "*blush*" - please... Your like that guy that trys to get some but just doesn't get it. And why haven't you responded to Stinkypants?
And yes, if my son or daughter came to me and asked me what a safe abortion is, what a condom is, what drugs are, what is safe sex, what is hiv, I'd tell 'em. And yes there are safe abortions and unfortunately there are bad ones. Hello, that is the nature of any medical surgery - even now, you can go the hospital for a normal in and out surgery only to find yourself dead because the doctor made a mistake or for that matter the nurse helping you recover messes up. Wait forget the hospital what about as you drive home ans someone runs into you and now you can't walk. All this because you went to the hospital - Life is what life is.
Also "You are either a believer in child killing or you aren't" - like where do you get off? Wait, that seems to be the point - so when man jacks off and his semen is spent on the towel - is that murder?
And NO - abortion is not butchering - it's not plain and simple, its a choice. And no - it's a not a beatiful little baby within the first trimester. Fudge, you are so wrong, I can't even fathom your reasoning for your talk. Look - I can understand those of you that don't like abortions, think it's wrong, etc... that is your choice and I respect it but when you ignore the opinons of the people you are talking to - why are you even here? Speaking of God Blessing America - I am a proud American - land of the free - land of the choice.
When TH said get yourself a hooker, it was just that, you can't treat a women or a man with that talk of yours and expect them to listen to you. If you do find a women, who has the same beliefs as yours - good, marry her because I doubt any other woman would put up with you.
Damn, its like your posts are so blind that it reallys amazes me that you aren't hiding in your house afraid of the world. In your post about aids, you are sooooooooo wrong, like really wrong, as in not right as in not even close. Wearing a condom short of not having sex will protect you from getting the hiv virus. Oh wait, you said you can catch aids - like get out of 1980s and come to the light of 2003. YOu don't get aids, you get hiv - seriously although some other people may not respect your view, I do but what I don't respect is your weak debate on abortion based on inacturate facts or misconceived theories or even you stance of not accepting someone elses view that is oposing to yours.
Look, I can see your point where you think life begins at ejaculation, good, don't have one. Life is not black and white, there is no easy answer. If you are unable to see the points of others then don't respond. I see your only point, you feel strongly that abortion is wrong - I can respect that but you miss everyone's point about their stance on abortion - right or wrong.
Abaddon - you have a lot of good points
Aztec...I raised my son by myself because my ex-wife was first going to have an abortion and then tried to make me pay chlid support but now he stays with me. I agree and disagree with you but that is why I live in america - I have a choice...
Look abortion is not an easy subject to debate. It crosses the line of life, death, religion, rights of the individual and rights of the unborn. The issue that is the driving point is "where does life begin", my view is after the first trimister but to others it's after the second trimister and to even others it's right after "cumming". What is certain in my book and certain in the books of the local police department. What that guy did (murdering the doctor and security guard) is murder - plain and simple - regardless of his reason. He is no marter, he is sorry excuse for a man much less a human. I am pro-capital punisment for those crimes that deserve it. I'll say the same thing for him as I will say to Yizuman - don't like what is going on, talk to your congressman and reverse Roe vs Wade - otherwise abortion will be legal in this country regardless if YOu feel it's right or wrong regardless if it's the right time or not.
Savage