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  **** Some people don't teach their children manners. Grrr. ****

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  i had an hour to kill before picking julian up at a birthday party, last friday.

  so, i decided to go relax at the library.

  "when i was a child, we gave up our chairs for adults.

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  Odrade

  You perceived that someone was lacking manners, and you let her know what your thoughts were on the matter. You believe and hope you taught her some kind of lesson by shaming her in front of her children.

  When you bragged vented about it here, many of us pointed out that YOU were being rude and lacking manners. Your strident and strenuous defense of your (rude) behavior, amply demonstrates how ineffective it is to go around telling other people that you wish them to conform to your judgment and rule book.

  Of course, if she had asked for your opinion, it would be a different story. You, on the other hand, DID post this whole story here to be commented upon. But I guess you only want the attaboys.

  Let me ask you this: were the children reasonably quiet, and looking at books or doing other library appropriate things, or were they running amok, yelling, throwing things, tripping people? Then what on earth are you complaining about? Seems to me the mother WAS doing her job by taking the children to an appropriate place for some reading, learning and entertainment.

  If a child wishes to sit in a big, comfy chair at a library, and enjoy his book, who are you to stand in the way of that? To a child, placing a backpack on or near a chosen spot is enough to reserve the seat, and only someone with TERRIBLY bad manners would try to take that seat away from him.

  If two big comfy chairs are what it takes for two grade-school age children to be enthusiastic about going to a Library, that's one of the best things I've heard all week. IMO, the mother was absolutely right to make sure those chairs were still available for her youngsters when they came back with their books.

  Of course, you obviously feel that your right to sit in those particular chairs trumps encouraging young families to spend time in enjoyment and comfort in the Public Library.

  Well, you may be right, clearly your own self importance and value outstrips their value. I wonder what would have happened if the child was in possession of a book you wanted? Would you demand that the child relinquish that to you? After all, you are the adult, and by virtue of your age, clearly have more rights than children.
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  **** Some people don't teach their children manners. Grrr. ****

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  i had an hour to kill before picking julian up at a birthday party, last friday.

  so, i decided to go relax at the library.

  "when i was a child, we gave up our chairs for adults.

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  Odrade

  I'll take that as a "No, I don't need to reassess my behavior. I'm always self-righteous right."

  True colors. Yours are showing. I think your mother might have forgotten to teach you some manners.
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  **** Some people don't teach their children manners. Grrr. ****

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  i had an hour to kill before picking julian up at a birthday party, last friday.

  so, i decided to go relax at the library.

  "when i was a child, we gave up our chairs for adults.

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  Odrade

  You call "In MY day we weren't allowed to do XYZ!" and giving her a 'shame on you, you know better' look, "assertive but polite?" Well, THERE'S the crux of the whole matter right there. YOU thought you were being polite. Many of us feel YOU were the rude one. Since that is the case, do you think there may be just the tiniest chance that maybe you should be reassessing YOUR behavior?
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  **** Some people don't teach their children manners. Grrr. ****

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  i had an hour to kill before picking julian up at a birthday party, last friday.

  so, i decided to go relax at the library.

  "when i was a child, we gave up our chairs for adults.

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  I wonder how the child would have felt had FHN just taken the seat, when he came back from the stacks and discovered his chair was appropriated by a stranger? Funny how the feelings of the child are not being considered here at all... just the entitlement of one judgmental adult. What a great lesson in rudeness and disrespect THAT would have been.

  And of course, the "you should know better" look wasn't "telling her what to believe?"
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  Does everyone like you?

  by asilentone in

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  do you have someone that dislikes you?

  if you would like to share your story, i would like to see it.

  thanks!

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  Holy Cats, I hope not. How much of a chameleon would a person have to be in order for everyone to like him or her?
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  **** Some people don't teach their children manners. Grrr. ****

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  i had an hour to kill before picking julian up at a birthday party, last friday.

  so, i decided to go relax at the library.

  "when i was a child, we gave up our chairs for adults.

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  Odrade

  I guess this was just a funny, comic thread, wasn't it? I mean, your whole point was how rude someone was to you, and you punctuated that by your exaggerated rudeness and self-entitlement. Irony is wonderfully comic, isn't it?
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  **** Some people don't teach their children manners. Grrr. ****

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  i had an hour to kill before picking julian up at a birthday party, last friday.

  so, i decided to go relax at the library.

  "when i was a child, we gave up our chairs for adults.

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  Odrade

  Oh, I see, you wanted all 5 of the family to squish on the sofa, so you could have one of the 4 chairs. Remind me again, weren't there still TWO chairs?I suppose you measured the sofa, and have the right to dictate how many people are comfortable on it.
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  **** Some people don't teach their children manners. Grrr. ****

  by FlyingHighNow in

  1. jw
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  i had an hour to kill before picking julian up at a birthday party, last friday.

  so, i decided to go relax at the library.

  "when i was a child, we gave up our chairs for adults.

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  Odrade

  Well, it would be in character, wouldn't it? By the way, I agree 100% with (****)EVERYTHING(****) Scully said.
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  **** Some people don't teach their children manners. Grrr. ****

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  i had an hour to kill before picking julian up at a birthday party, last friday.

  so, i decided to go relax at the library.

  "when i was a child, we gave up our chairs for adults.

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  Odrade

  Changing your story now? Boy you really ARE a victim.

  "sofa, 2 comfychairs and ottomons. I walked up, to find a woman with a child leaning on her, sitting on the sofa. I noticed a backpack lying on the floor. I went to sit down and the woman says, while gesturing her hand & arm around the area, "Uh, we have this whole area. I have four kids and we need the whole (long, big enough for three more kids) sofa and those two chairs."

  So there were 5 individuals, and two chairs with ottoman, and one sofa. Sounds like 5 seats to me. Sounds like 5 people to me. (Or are you changing your story now and claiming she was using 9 actual seats for 5 people? ) Sounds like she and her family were there first. Sounds like there were other places for you to sit, but you wanted to get your dig in first because the lady didn't want to take her whole family and go somewhere else for YOUR convenience.
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  A real (Christian) man speaks: The Words of God Do Not Justify Cruelty To Women

  by SixofNine in

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  the words of god do not justify cruelty to women.

  jimmey carter.

  the observer, sunday 12 july 2009. .

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  Odrade

  Incredible, thanks. I'll put up the rest:

  "I understand, however, why many political leaders can be reluctant about stepping into this minefield. Religion, and tradition, are powerful and sensitive area to challenge.

  But my fellow Elders and I, who come from many faiths and backgrounds, no longer need to worry about winning votes or avoiding controversy - and we are deeply committed to challenging injustice wherever we see it.

  The Elders have decided to draw particular attention to the responsibility of religious and traditional leaders in ensuring equality and human rights. We have recently published a statement that declares: "The justification of discrimination against women and girls on grounds of religion or tradition, as if it were prescribed by a Higher Authority, is unacceptable."

  We are calling on all leaders to challenge and change the harmful teachings and practices, no matter how ingrained, which justify discrimination against women. We ask, in particular, that leaders of all religions have the courage to acknowledge and emphasise the positive messages of dignity and equality that all the world's major faiths share.

  Although not having training in religion or theology, I understand that the carefully selected verses found in the holy scriptures to justify the superiority of men owe more to time and place - and the determination of male leaders to hold onto their influence - than eternal truths. Similar Biblical excerpts could be found to support the approval of slavery and the timid acquiescence to oppressive rulers.

  At the same time, I am also familiar with vivid descriptions in the same scriptures in which women are revered as pre-eminent leaders. During the years of the early Christian church women served as deacons, priests, bishops, apostles, teachers and prophets. It wasn't until the fourth century that dominant Christian leaders, all men, twisted and distorted holy scriptures to perpetuate their ascendant positions within the religious hierarchy.

  I know, too, that Billy Graham, one of the most widely respected and revered Christians during my lifetime, did not understand why women were prevented from being priests and preachers. He said: "Women preach all over the world. It doesn't bother me from my study of the scriptures."

  The truth is that male religious leaders have had - and still have - an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter.

  Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world. This is in clear violation not just of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but also the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses and the prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great religions - all of whom have called for proper and equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is time we had the courage to challenge these views.

  • Jimmy Carter was US president from 1977-81. The Elders are an independent group of eminent global leaders, brought together by Nelson Mandela, who offer their influence and experience to support peace building, help address major causes of human suffering and promote the shared interests of humanity."