Posts by Odrade

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Wheee!!! spent a lovely evening with JW family rolls eyes

by Odrade in

or not, as the case may be.

in-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening.

my uncle-in-law is extremely religious.

Odrade

LMAO!!! I'll see if I can turn it up. I don't personally know it, and I'm sure my hubby doesn't. So I have one more in-law I can tap. :D

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Wheee!!! spent a lovely evening with JW family rolls eyes

by Odrade in

or not, as the case may be.

in-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening.

my uncle-in-law is extremely religious.

LOL @ Avi, a guy like that is going to toe the party line all the way. Look it up on the internet? Not. I doubt he'd be looking up what he would regard as "apostate lies" on the internet. Oh man would I ever like to be an observer though, if in some strange universe he found himself trying to go toe to toe with you! :)

I found out from family that U-I-L was a convert, and he came from a bad background. Might go a ways to explaining his fanaticism, although it hardly excuses it. Anyways, I doubt I'll be seeing him again.

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Wheee!!! spent a lovely evening with JW family rolls eyes

by Odrade in

or not, as the case may be.

in-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening.

my uncle-in-law is extremely religious.

Odrade

Can't make assumptions like that. This man is highly educated, works in an executive position (nearing retirement,) and of very high intelligence. In his outside life he is absolutely NOT a nobody. Just goes to show you how the WT can make morons out of even brightest people if they buy into it.

Billy, my objection to his statements wasn't that it's difficult to induce vomiting, but that he shows a fundamental lack of understanding of violent sexual crimes. An action like that is much more likely to get a woman killed than to stop an attack, and the WT knows this, which is why (I hope) they don't make this claim anymore. I'm not confident in that though, because U-I-L was one of the first to be invited back to NY for that special elder training, so he is undoubtedly well-fortified with the current party-line. So that is the bullshit he is carrying into judicial committees.

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Wheee!!! spent a lovely evening with JW family rolls eyes

by Odrade in

or not, as the case may be.

in-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening.

my uncle-in-law is extremely religious.

Odrade

gah, not fun. Well, I'm just not going to put myself if the way of that again, because I do NOT think I'll be able to keep my mouth shut a second time.

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Wheee!!! spent a lovely evening with JW family rolls eyes

by Odrade in

or not, as the case may be.

in-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening.

my uncle-in-law is extremely religious.

Odrade

Heaven: The only thing U-I-L is not, is a hypocrite. He believes he holds himself to the same high standards. But don't even get me started on his views of women and their 2nd class citizenship. Party-line all the way.

daniel-p: We all left after barely 2 hours. Usually these family gatherings go on for much longer, but we had absolutely had our fill of his rhetoric. If it hadn't been for the fact that it would have hurt my M-I-L, I would have turned around and walked out after the first 10 minutes.

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Wheee!!! spent a lovely evening with JW family rolls eyes

by Odrade in

or not, as the case may be.

in-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening.

my uncle-in-law is extremely religious.

Odrade

Quandry: LMAO @ your second suggestion!

Edington: Exactly! but we know that already - the WTS has proved over and over just how lacking in compassion they are.

dudeson: Actually yeah, in a way that is what he was saying. He kept going on and on about how many innocent people are trapped in the prison system and that if it were run in the WT fashion that would never happen. "Two witness rule, two witness rule." He sounded like a damn parrot.

homeschool: I have a hard time myself, believing how over the top this was. Then I have to question myself, was it really over the top? Or are the zealous ones all this way, and I didn't notice when I was in, because I was used to it?

chickpea: Oh I'm under no delusion that anything I could say would get through to him. It's just that on some issues, I can't remain silent. Especially when such horrible things are being said, and I KNOW he has said the exact same things on Judicial Committees. "Did you scream? Did anyone see it? Well then, sorry. You'll just have to wait on Jehovah. You're disfellowshipped." I can just see it.

jamiebowers: He is obsessed with sex crimes AND sex. That was probably the 10th time that evening that I heard, when he mentioned either rape, sex, or the "sexual filth and perversion of the wicked system." FFS, we were only there for 2 hours!

Heaven: if I could have, believe me...

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Wheee!!! spent a lovely evening with JW family rolls eyes

by Odrade in

or not, as the case may be.

in-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening.

my uncle-in-law is extremely religious.

Odrade

Thanks, thanks, thank.

No, he really is a true believer. It's probably the only thing that allowed me to (relatively) keep my cool, because I know he is 100% sincere and believes that he is doing what is right and loving. This guy cries, REAL TEARS, not crocodile tears, when he is preaching. It's disconcerting, but definitely genuine. I think that is what makes me so mad.

When someone is just spouting to spout, or to hear the sound of their own self-importance, I can usually just roll my eyes and walk away relatively unaffected. It is that he believes all of it with every fiber of his being, that's what sets my teeth on edge. My parents are like that too, but they know better than to preach at me like that. blech.

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WTS causing more anguish

by GapingMouth in

i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

Odrade

It seems that JWs always say "where else would I go," and think they are quoting the scripture. It's the wrong question, it was not the question Peter asked. Peter was asking Jesus, who else would he follow, not what other religion should he go to. Just because 100 other religions out there are wrong, does not mean that religion 101 is correct.

I understand you may feel under seige in your own home. You need to be observant for HER issue, not try to convince her over YOUR issues. For you, 607 is a very serious hinge-point. She might not care at all about that, but might be swayed over disfellowshipping, or blood, or the two-witness rule, or flip flops on organ transplants, Factor VIII for hemophiliacs... or something else entirely.

My husband was bothered by the all the changes to the "generation." I was bothered by ambiguity regarding the cross, and inconsistencies in the personality of God in the NT vs. OT, and the changes, misdirection and misleading information regarding blood and blood fractions. I couldn't have cared less about the changes to the "generation." If he had tried to make that his main talking point, he never would have made a dent.

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by PEC in

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Odrade

WTF is "RPH?"

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Wheee!!! spent a lovely evening with JW family rolls eyes

by Odrade in

or not, as the case may be.

in-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening.

my uncle-in-law is extremely religious.

Odrade

Or not, as the case may be. In-laws' family members were visiting from out of town so we went over for the evening. My uncle-in-law is EXTREMELY religious. Extreme. He also claims to be anointed, and of course, he is one of those "exemplary" JWs who nobody would ever dream of doubting he is actually anointed. He pontificates and preaches CONSTANTLY, even when it is other witnesses. But tonight, he had an even stronger reason to go on and on about the absolute moral and legal and bla bla bla rightness of Jehovah's Holy and Blessed Organization, because my husband and I were there, and we are known to be inactive. Depending upon what MIL/FIL have told them, they may even be aware that we are "opposers." And three other family members were there who have recently let it be known to family that they are not participating as JWs.

Well, out of all of us, I was really the only one who did not handle the situation with grace by just smiling, nodding and agreeing. I had a couple of words, and left the room. I was very impressed with the hateful look I received, but I'm relatively certain I had a matching one of disgust on my face. U-I-L was going on and on about the perfection of Jehovah's Legal System, he even had the gall to bring up how just it is that "as long as a woman screams when she is raped" it doesn't matter if nobody hears her, "as long as she screams, she will get justice." Also he was going on about how perfect the 2 witness system is, and how it protects anyone from unjust accusations.

Yeah, well I couldn't keep my yap shut, and I pointed out that many women don't scream when raped because they are terrified, or being threatened with their life if they make noise, or for whatever reason. Also, I couldn't help pointing out that rapists don't usually stand around waiting for a couple of witnesses before they rape.

His reply of course was that "That's okay because Jehovah will take care of it." I said that I'd rather trust the legal system. I got the evil look, and he went on about how corrupt the legal system is and how only the truth can handle stuff like that the right way. Segue into "the best advice the Society ever gave regarding rape is to make yourself vomit on the rapist. That's the best way to stop an attack cold, just vomit on the rapist."

I said "surely they aren't saying that anymore because that so-called method has been shown without a doubt not to be a reliable way to stop an attack." It was like I wasn't even there. He actually pantomimed vomiting several more times after that and said "best method, best advice, that's what the Society says."

Jebus Christmas, I am so mad I could spit nails. I can't even remember the last time I was that mad at a JW. Seriously, it has been years. It was offensive. And I only had to suffer through 10 minutes of that spew because I went in another room. Another family member (a kid who handled himself quite gracefully,) got hammered on for at least 30 minutes with gloom and doom and how everything is rotten and wicked and evil and bad all the time with no relenting, everything is getting worse and horrible, etc etc ad nauseaum.

I mean, HOW do they SURVIVE such intense and all-pervasive negativity? Seriously, he is probably the most negative person I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. He's worse than Rush Limbaugh, and possibly just as bombastic. He'd give some of those cable TV preachers a run for their hellfire and damnation money.

*beats head on wall*

Oh and the best part? We are supposed to go over there and visit again. Guess who's going to have a migraine. Go on, guess.