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  WHO would Jesus Christ DIS-FELLOWSHIP? A look at the problem of DF-ing

  by Terry in

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  loving and forgiving are a huge component of jesus' message to his disciples.. in answer to the question as to how many times forgiveness should be offered to an offender, jesus gave the reply, "seventy (times) seven.

  " (variously interpreted as either 77 times or a multiple of 70 times 7).. an example is given of a man who owed a considerable sum of money whose debt was forgiven.

  this man failed to forgive a much smaller debt owed to him.

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  But, that isn't the only thing these feckless rascals are full of, now is it?

  

  Pecans and tootsie rolls?
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  Science and Philosephy.- God

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  when i discovered ervs and #2 chromosome i knew there was no personal god.

  the rest is history.

  i have always since kept updated in science as much as possible.. .

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  If Miracles cannot happen, then God (as a category of provisional causation) ceases to be of interest.

  That is to assume that any type of God that exists must be one who performs miracles. Can not a God exist who obeys the laws of science? Ofcourse this would mean denying any passed down "records" of miracles. I agree that a miracle-less God would be less interesting than one who performs miracles if thats what you are alluding to.
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  Your body is your PRIMARY TEACHER (a God-appointed channel is nowhere in the picture)

  by Pinku in

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  balance is the natural state of your body and is maintained by moderation in your habits such as sleep, work, eating, entertainment and thinking.

  (mathew7:12; 5:13-16; proverbs 25:16, 27; 1 cor 6:12; 8:9; philippians 4:5) your body sends signs of distress when you cross the limit.. this is true even in subtler areas too.

  contrary to the popular notion that happiness or peace come from accumulating things, body teaches it comes from renunciation.

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  Pinku: If you take out all the scriptures you sound EXACTLY like atheist zen teachers and yogis! The mental transformations you are talking about don't require a God. There are at minimum 1billion people who don't believe in a God, 360million are buddhist and follow your exact non-biblical words in your OP here. Many Christians attain a level of mental clarity and enlightenment from some scriptures however most JW's I know including my younger brother have developed EGO's the size of Texas from WT propaganda and inter-congregation competition for privilages. Supression of ego is more easily done without dogmatic doctrine.

  Pinku: I hope you actually read responses to your posts. If you follow your own advice you would be open-minded enough to do so without judgment of others words and without attachment to them correct?
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  Ripple Effect

  by Yondaime in

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  on tuesday i was dragged out on service with my mom since shes a permanent pioneer, and once we arrived at the hall i realized there were no brothers, but an abundance of sisters.

  i conducted the service meeting with ease, since my dad gave me a formation on how to do it.. then on thursday at my meeting nearly half of the congregation surrounded me and gave me hugs and kisses.

  i know about love bombing, its happened to me before, but this was the most insane amount of it ever since i had a demonstration at the district convention.

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  Wait until you live on your own to fade and fade properly. There are plenty of suggestions for the best steps to take to fade and stay in touch with family with minimum ostracizing. Search the topics for it. Basically move away, transfer your publisher card, attend once a month at first, maybe attend your parents memorial and have dinner with them to stay on good terms, and stop going to your congregation, dont answer any knocks at the door ever and if they call then claim to be busy but downloading all the pubs from their newest obsession JW.org

  Hang in there and good luck! :)
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
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  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  we need to figure out..."why the asian tsunami caused such huge loss of life in that area under those social conditions and why it would not have if social conditions and connections were different."Ruby

  RUBY: It's true that if there were advanced "tsunami-watch" technologies in place that could alert people hours prior to the wave hitting and get that alert to people who don't have tv or smart phones then yes there would have been far fewer casualties. This doesn't negate the fact that humans have to try and advance socially and technologically to avoid being killed by God's failed creation of an earth. What kind of God creates an earth that he knows will cause devastating catastrophies killing his precious humans only to let them figure it out for themselves? It's like a parent putting their 10yr old in a car on the highway with a brick on the accelerator. Let him figure it out right? Its now the kids struggle for life in a disasterous situation his parent put him in. How is that LOVE!?!
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  Science and Philosephy.- God

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  when i discovered ervs and #2 chromosome i knew there was no personal god.

  the rest is history.

  i have always since kept updated in science as much as possible.. .

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  "What have you studied on the subject?"

  Enough to know that there are two possibilities of the existence of matter/energy, both are infinite. Creator or no creator, there isnt a third option.. However i tend to lean more towards no creator as of recently. I used to subscribe to Pascals Wager and stick with a creator based on that mindset. Although, the two concepts of a creator always existing or matter/energy always existing on its own are both equally inconcievable to me..

  "Dinesh D'Souza is political commentator. Why is his opinion relevant?"

  It's an interesting perspective that I heard from him on a 2hr religous debate with sam harris, christopher hitchen, daniel dennet, etc. Just regurgitating something I heard from that clip yesterday, you would have to watch it to really get what i was trying to say. Must he be an astrophysicist to make a valid claim about the universe?

  "That question isn't even wrong. Without measurements, how do you think dark matter and energy were discovered?"

  I was reffering to the inability to see or measure the physical properties of dark matter since its existence is an inferred hypothesis. "Dark Matter is a kind of matter hypothesized in astronomy and cosmology to account for gravitational effects that appear to be the result of invisible mass. Dark matter cannot be seen directly with telescopes; evidently it neither emitsnor absorbs light or other electromagnetic radiation at any significant level. It is otherwise hypothesized to simply be matter that is not reactant to light. Instead, the existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, radiation, and the large-scale structure of the universe."wikipedia
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  Science and Philosephy.- God

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i discovered ervs and #2 chromosome i knew there was no personal god.

  the rest is history.

  i have always since kept updated in science as much as possible.. .

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  sunny23

  I knew there was no personal God.

  Science can not be used to prove or disprove a creator entirely. I personally think its a 50/50 possibility considering the fact that it all boils down to either matter/energy thats always existed and exploded to give us galaxies or its a creator thats always existed (granted that creator would have to be careless of life). Science has shown us much and most religions seem to update or even change their doctrines and teachings to accomodate scientific discoveries after they become widely accepted. There are many priests and churches that accept evolution now, however, 30 years ago not so much.

  There is still much to be learned. Many scientific theists are pointing to dark matter as existence of God. People like Dinesh D'Souza try to claim that atheists say that resurrection can't happen due to our knowledge of matter concerning re-materialization of matter. Yet D'Souza says the universe is 95% dark matter/energy and we know nothing of the exact qualities of dark matter, therfore christians are ignorant to afterlife just as much as atheists since neither have died yet to re-tell their story and atheists still can't explain things like dark matter. Coded, did those studies accomodate for dark matter and energy which can't be quantified by any scientific instruments? Either way, I say, give it enough time and we will know much about dark matter as well through advancements. Also give it enough time and our sun's luminosity will increase enough to kill off all human life (4billion years don't worry). I enjoy philosophy as well :)
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  If it doesn't then suffering has no point, if there is a purpose (such as to develop compassion) then it (suffering) has a purpose.

  You are making a baseless claim that suffering develops compassion. You don't need agreement by us for this claim but you need at least some form of evidence to make it understandable, otherwise its empty. How does the suffering that leads to death of a 5year old teach that 5yr old compassion? You seem to be over generalizing or sometimes too concerned with the survivors. This debate isn't concerning only survivors but also those who die. I could just as easily say to you that raping a girl teaches her submissivness, granted thats disgusting and horrible and needs no agreement but it has no substance until I show you how rape victims learn submisiveness through their experience.

  Agreement is not relevant to the argument

  Agreement with popular Christianity is relevent to this argument and your theory does not seem to agree with popular christianity that uses scriptures like these to support afterlife being more important and this life doesnt matter in comparison and to support suffering as means "to give God glory."

  Suffering for Being a Christian

  1 Peter 4:12-16 New International Version (NIV)

  12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

  James 1:12

  12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

  only the ability to understand that a purpose for suffering exists.

  I undertand that a purpose for suffering could exist it's just that noone here including yourself has offered an understandable one. Its up to you to make it understandable. You provide no support, only opinions. I could make the claim that the moon is green and you don't have to agree with it, you only need the ability to understand that my claim (the moon is green) exists. Understanding that my claim exists does not support it's truthfullness.
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  First post

  by BenRichards in

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  i've been lurking here off and on for a few years, figured i would introduce myself and share the clif notes version of my story.. i'm in my late 30's and was born in.

  mom was a jw, dad wasn't.

  got baptized in my teens and started dating my eventual wife.

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  Welcome Ben! The advice given so far is excellent! Good luck with your ongoing personal spiritual discovery and interactions with your family!
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Yes DOT maybe I was a bit judgmental to start so im' sorry kassad, i hope you didnt take offense. Kassad, also think of some of your favorite movies. When you see a great movie in the theater, at the end you aren't pissed that the movie didn't last forever. While you are watching its great scenes you aren't depressed and aloof to whats going on because you know it has an end. The same with life. Just because it has an end doesn't automatically make it a "bad movie," you determine it's quality (for those most part aside from environmental influences of course).

  Anyway, back to topic...

  Unless you change and become as children you will not enter the kingdom of the heavens Mat 18:3

  Ruby: I don't see how you offer anything new. Psacramento was claiming that suffering is necessary to individual humans in order to gain experience and thus accountability in order to become like God. Your scripture implies that it is rather lack of experience that allows you appropriate acceptance into Gods kingdom. You also make a strange assumption that this scripture implies God is not omniscient. That goes against christian theology and makes the rest of your answers a non sequitur to this thread