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  MY CONCLUSION IS: 'GOD' DOESN'T EXIST

  by NAVYTOWN in

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  i have come to the conclusion that there is no god.

  period!!!

  if there was a loving, righteous, all-knowing, all powerful god up there somewhere, where is he and what good is he???

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  You can choose to help others anyway you can, that is really all we can do that makes life have meaning. Atheism aids predatory behavior for there is only the law of the jungle as the basic truth.

  That first sentence embodies the outlook and mindset of all atheists i know including myself. look up secular humanism.

  If there is no God, there can be no energy, energy was created, but it could not have been produced from non-energy.

  Likewise, God is energy, energy could not have been produced from non energy, thus God is energy that has no beginning and this concept is equally abstract as the concept that enery was produced from non-eneregy or the concept that the energy needed for the big bang always existed. So lets throw out what you said because it's an invalid excuse. Instead look at the failed logic of the concept of YHWH

  
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  Mental Disorders among JW's

  by Blackfalcon98 in

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  hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.

  do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.

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  So he blatantly is breaking patient confidence? Give me his name, and I'll have him sued and losing his profession within five monites.

  Calm down bro, not that big a deal in this scenario. I personally abide by HIPAA in my field of work and there are definitely much more serious concerns well above a person talking to their family about pills people they know take. If you got so much fire in you direct it at real information exploiters like the NSA lol. Not that you could realistically have anyone sued in my fathers particular scenario with only his name and wherabouts lol. hearsay, conjecture, lack of examples and evidence, etc.

  Talesin thanks for the articles. Looking back and sometimes still coming in contact with JW's i've known and I get a sense that something is severely off about some of them beyond just a social awkwardness and delusion. I think perhaps that more "exclusive" appocalyptic religions like JW cult tend to attract and keep a higher ratio of "crazies" than say religions like buddhism.
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  JW Net documentary

  by snare&racket in

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  i would like to make a documentary with help from the same technology that got me free of watchtower, namely the internet.

  also via the same people that helped me leave, namely...you lot!.

  i want to make the documentary that jw's find when they google jw.org.

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  I'm in, never held status above microphone runner though. I know of 2 guys and their wives who were elders who faded out, hate the org, and might be up for it.
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  Mental Disorders among JW's

  by Blackfalcon98 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.

  do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.

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  sunny23

  My father who is still a JW is also a Pharmacist and now attends his 3rd different congregation in a different state from the first 2 and likes to talk about all of the anti-psychotics he fills or has filled for fellow JW's from each of the congs including one of the ANNOINTED. Also very many anti-depressants and the occasional plan-b's, talk about awkward.

  I remember growing up and watching him "make rounds" after the meetings talking to all of the people he fills scripts for to see how they are doing and to give them professional advice on their side effects. He put on a certain posture and visibly felt very important in those role as most of our cong was uneducated beyond high school. He got addicted to this i believe and is probably what he looks forward to most.
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  MY CONCLUSION IS: 'GOD' DOESN'T EXIST

  by NAVYTOWN in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have come to the conclusion that there is no god.

  period!!!

  if there was a loving, righteous, all-knowing, all powerful god up there somewhere, where is he and what good is he???

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  "Universal sovereignty" argument is fallible. I prescribed to it even 9 months ago when I was using that argument on these forums. Also the "free will" argument is even worse. This showcases it's fallacies in a humorous way...

  http://youtu.be/Z1BzP1wr234
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  Looking for Alan F's essay

  by BluesBrother in

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  can anybody help me find on line the essay about the watchtower' s deceptive use of quotations?

  i mean the one where alan goes to bethel and has a meeting with a senior person from the writing dept, and he can see no wrong in misrepresenting anothers words, if it makes a good quote.. alan's old on line url of geocities,com/osarif does not seem to be up any more .

  i would like to use this in discussion with an ex elder of my acquaintance.. thank you..

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  Preterism

  by Chris Tann in

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  when i started to do my research concerning ttatt, i started to see the scriptures in a different light.

  one thing i noticed is that when the epistles talk about the last days, christs presence, the ressurection to heaven; the writers were speaking specifically of their time, not some two thousand years later.

  even when jesus speaks of his presence and the kingdom being established, he was talking to his disciples of that time and what they were soon to expect.

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  "when I die thats it for me. I get depressed thinking about that."

  Many times on these forums theists will argue until they are blue in the face and it comes down to this fear of dying without afterlife. Afterlife gives time on earth LESS meaning wheras without it, there is MORE meaning NOW! When I stopped believing in an afterlife, my desire to improve my quality of life and those around me simply exploded to new levels. I have a much better loving connection with my parents. I didn't use to be inclined to pursue hardly anything positive before with a mindset of "well so long as i'm 'good,' I have all of eternity to do whatever I want so whats the rush?"

  It's all about mindset Chris. You can choose to look at things pessimistically or not. If you can not shake a mistakenly depressive mindset from thinking about dying without afterlife, then you will most likely dismiss ANY facts that go against God or the Bible so approach this with an open and opptimistic mindset. ALSO, Consider this viewpoint please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxkqz7-DmsE
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  WHY are Watchtower leaders OBSCURANTIST and how can we fight them effectively?

  by Terry in

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  to read and understand this topic you will need to know two things.. following my telling you these two things you'll need to sit and think about them before you react and respond.. ************.

  1. understand what obscurantists are and what they do and why .. 2. decide if want to be effective in refraiming your identity (the label given to you) as an ex-jehovah's witness in fighting them.

  watchtower society obscurantist leaders.

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  Is the WBT$ coming to get anyone?!.....No!.....LOL!!..

  I believe the analogy was used to emphasize the watchtower as they perusue gaining new members. Yes they are out "to get" more publishers for sure. And Terry was equating Niemöller with unsuspecting householders who have no idea what they are saying "yes" to when allowing bible studies. Perhaps I misinterpreted it. Eitherway, the point is, equipping potential JW housholders with TTATT is just as important as deconverting JW's.
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  WHY are Watchtower leaders OBSCURANTIST and how can we fight them effectively?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  to read and understand this topic you will need to know two things.. following my telling you these two things you'll need to sit and think about them before you react and respond.. ************.

  1. understand what obscurantists are and what they do and why .. 2. decide if want to be effective in refraiming your identity (the label given to you) as an ex-jehovah's witness in fighting them.

  watchtower society obscurantist leaders.

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  sunny23

  A quick list I made of WT quotes directing sheep NOT to question their (GB) authority:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/271792/1/Dont-Question-GOD-aka-the-governing-body

  As to a plan of action. The best way is to appeal to the little "skeptic" in everyone. I believe this is what lead all of us here in the first place isn't it? Give current JW's an easier route and reason to explore. Make them see the URL over and over without having to take that large leap in typing in apostate topics in google and feeling Satan on their shoulders.

  I have been itching to run by Kinkos and have them print up several of these:

  

  I live off of the one and only small road that leads in and out of the towns newest kingdom hall and could post those signs along that road at entrance of my neighborhood where 4 or 5 congregations meet. Also post some at the older hall where 4 more congs meet only 10miles from here too. Not sure if I need permission from owner of jwfacts so I PMd him in case.
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  A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION to those on J.W.NET...

  by new hope and happiness in

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  what is important to you and why?.

  maybe i should begin with a few suggestions:-.

  love,.

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  sunny23

  Oh right they come in the green medicine bottle shaped bottles right? I had their cream stout once