Posts by sunny23

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

sunny23

Fisherman, is there something outside of the voluntary and involuntary responses inside my body and organs keeping me alive and animating me right now? If so what is it?

Movement, Respiration, Sensitivity, Growth, Excretion, Reproduction, Nutrition can all be explained by physics and biology. You seem to suggest that I must first be "alive" before I can even carry out these processes. Define this "alive" state that exists prior to these processes being carried out please. Does exhibiting the processes define one as being "alive" or does being "alive" allow one to carry out the processes?

it is true that living organisms carry out the processes of life but they must be alive to do so -Fisherman

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

sunny23

Given a living creature and the same creature dead, the difference between them is the substance that "animates" them.

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Elders want to meet with us, help!

by All for show in

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my husband is awake,yay!

we haven't been to meeting since february, although we attended the memorial.

when jws have called us we say we are amazing, everything is awesome much to their shock.

sunny23

Disagreeing with the Governing Body is equivalent to disagreeing with Jehovah God. Here is proof: WT Obedience Quotes

If you need to stay in the religion and maintain appearances then show a complete submissive attitude to the elders, align your thoughts and actions with them when in their presence and keep your personal opinions to yourself! Be careful.

However I do applaud you for what permanent positive impact you two may have had on the younger people you spoke to in order to encourage them to go to college. Perhaps in the future it will seem less persuasive of you to instead ask thought provoking questions and get other JW's to think critically rather than offer advice directly counter to WT teachings.

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JWs through the eyes of an eight year old

by maksutov in

my wife is a jw, and is teaching our eight year old daughter jw beliefs.

i am trying to teach her about evolution and critical thinking skills.

here is a conversation we had today (as best i can remember it):daughter: "why do bad things happen?

sunny23

You are doing an amazing job mak. I hope to have your level of composure and articulation when I have kids of my own. The first video posted on the first page is great. This one is a good preface to it but might be a little further over her head than the first but im sure you can re-word it easily for her and tell it in a different light..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdddbYILel0

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Three elders show up "to encourage me" after 10 years!

by Wasanelder Once in

"hey brother wasa, come on back to the meetings.

" (after 10 years) so i respond that the situation with pedophiles is out of hand.

they tell me "we" elders have received tons of training on the subject, its not like it was 10 years ago.

sunny23

I would love to answer the door naked and try to give them all hugs and welcome them inside with big smiles. Surely they would decline and leave rapidly after failed attempts to get me to clothe myself in my own house and probably never come back AND I would FINALLY be put on a permanent do not call list to prevent females from having their eyes burst in flames.

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"Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted..."

by cappytan in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgds4z-h2i.

transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):.

please open your bibles to phil.

sunny23

WTBS and GB Not apologizing for financially bankrupting or degrading thousands perhaps millions because of false end time predictions/strong suggestions and blaming it on the readers, misquoting scientists, retracting the quotes and not apologizing, and being a part of the UN for 11 years and trying to hide it. Using world wide work funds to settle child abuse court cases and claim that the elders have "no duty to inform" the congregation of pedophiles. Causing the needless deaths of children by a bogus misinterpretation of scriptures about blood. Yea not corrupt at all.

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For God/Truth Seekers Only!

by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

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for the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.

the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.

thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).

sunny23

Nicola you said: "my God is Love and DOES NOT use His people to fight His battles. He has legions upon legions of mighty angels to do that for Him. So any fanatic that harms another under the banner of religion is NOT a follower of the true God - in fact his god is weak because he sends him to do his dirty work."

Nicola, God used His people to fight his battles on several occasions in the old testament. You are calling him weak!? Also you do realize that claiming that God would be weak if he used humans to do his dirty work applies to God using his legions of angels to do his dirty work as well right? Looks weak both ways huh?

God of Love? You must only worship Jesus then, God version 2.0. The nice one. Because OG god killed upwards of 10 million people in the old testament. This is a God of war and hatred because he is so jealous.

Exodus 34:14

14For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous,is a jealous God

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Apostasy Trial - Part 2 - Satan is Using Google

by berrygerry in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=373zbncuuoq

sunny23

The elders response to the accusation that holy spirit has in the past appointed elders who were pedophiles was: "Jesus appointed Judas...where was the holy spirit? He was Gods son!"

This is a false analogy. I wish the camera man had pointed this out. Jesus and the "holy spirit" appointed Judas knowing he would betray in the end. Jesus foretold it. It had to be done to fulfill prophecy for Jesus to die for mans sins. It was predestined in the sense that Judas' future decisions and utilization of "choice" was known in advance and accepted. This was an appointment of a "bad person" in order to accomplish a larger "good cause."

Mr. Elder needs to now tell us how an elder in the 21st century is fulfilling Gods divine plan by fondling little children ;) Where's the holy spirit now!? Must be a dabbling sort of holy spirit that intervenes at random and many times not when it morally should. hmm

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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?

by EdenOne in

it just dawned on me.

the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.

so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.

sunny23

I stopped reading at page 6 but EdenOne, You keep saying that Atheism makes claims to Gods non-existence. This is false. There may be atheist people who go so far as to make such claims but Atheism as a whole, by definition, and according to the many atheists I know, make no such claims to non-existence. Any atheist who goes so far as to try and prove a negative has made a serious logical mistake. Don't forget the burden of proof lies with the one making a positive claim (a claim of somethings existence). An atheist by definition just sits back and waits for proof and evidence and until then lacks belief in any deity until such evidence arises. They DO leave room for God.

from Atheists.org.....

Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."
Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."
http://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism?

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

sunny23

Myelaine "yes God is all powerful, that doesn't mean He's going to or is even required to step in and avert natural disasters."

Superman is very powerfull, that doesnt mean hes going to or is even required to step in to avert a city from being encased by lava, flooded, run down by gang violence, or stop a rape from occuring. However how would you judge Superman if he decided to not use his powers for good and instead sit back and watch and judge people from his high chair and offer eternal life to some after death? Does this still make him a good guy?