Posts by sunny23

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Preterism

by Chris Tann in

when i started to do my research concerning ttatt, i started to see the scriptures in a different light.

one thing i noticed is that when the epistles talk about the last days, christs presence, the ressurection to heaven; the writers were speaking specifically of their time, not some two thousand years later.

even when jesus speaks of his presence and the kingdom being established, he was talking to his disciples of that time and what they were soon to expect.

sunny23

"when I die thats it for me. I get depressed thinking about that."

Many times on these forums theists will argue until they are blue in the face and it comes down to this fear of dying without afterlife. Afterlife gives time on earth LESS meaning wheras without it, there is MORE meaning NOW! When I stopped believing in an afterlife, my desire to improve my quality of life and those around me simply exploded to new levels. I have a much better loving connection with my parents. I didn't use to be inclined to pursue hardly anything positive before with a mindset of "well so long as i'm 'good,' I have all of eternity to do whatever I want so whats the rush?"

It's all about mindset Chris. You can choose to look at things pessimistically or not. If you can not shake a mistakenly depressive mindset from thinking about dying without afterlife, then you will most likely dismiss ANY facts that go against God or the Bible so approach this with an open and opptimistic mindset. ALSO, Consider this viewpoint please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxkqz7-DmsE

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WHY are Watchtower leaders OBSCURANTIST and how can we fight them effectively?

by Terry in

to read and understand this topic you will need to know two things.. following my telling you these two things you'll need to sit and think about them before you react and respond.. ************.

1. understand what obscurantists are and what they do and why .. 2. decide if want to be effective in refraiming your identity (the label given to you) as an ex-jehovah's witness in fighting them.

watchtower society obscurantist leaders.

sunny23

Is the WBT$ coming to get anyone?!.....No!.....LOL!!..

I believe the analogy was used to emphasize the watchtower as they perusue gaining new members. Yes they are out "to get" more publishers for sure. And Terry was equating Niemöller with unsuspecting householders who have no idea what they are saying "yes" to when allowing bible studies. Perhaps I misinterpreted it. Eitherway, the point is, equipping potential JW housholders with TTATT is just as important as deconverting JW's.

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WHY are Watchtower leaders OBSCURANTIST and how can we fight them effectively?

by Terry in

to read and understand this topic you will need to know two things.. following my telling you these two things you'll need to sit and think about them before you react and respond.. ************.

1. understand what obscurantists are and what they do and why .. 2. decide if want to be effective in refraiming your identity (the label given to you) as an ex-jehovah's witness in fighting them.

watchtower society obscurantist leaders.

sunny23

A quick list I made of WT quotes directing sheep NOT to question their (GB) authority:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/271792/1/Dont-Question-GOD-aka-the-governing-body

As to a plan of action. The best way is to appeal to the little "skeptic" in everyone. I believe this is what lead all of us here in the first place isn't it? Give current JW's an easier route and reason to explore. Make them see the URL over and over without having to take that large leap in typing in apostate topics in google and feeling Satan on their shoulders.

I have been itching to run by Kinkos and have them print up several of these:

I live off of the one and only small road that leads in and out of the towns newest kingdom hall and could post those signs along that road at entrance of my neighborhood where 4 or 5 congregations meet. Also post some at the older hall where 4 more congs meet only 10miles from here too. Not sure if I need permission from owner of jwfacts so I PMd him in case.

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A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION to those on J.W.NET...

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

what is important to you and why?.

maybe i should begin with a few suggestions:-.

love,.

sunny23

Oh right they come in the green medicine bottle shaped bottles right? I had their cream stout once

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A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION to those on J.W.NET...

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

what is important to you and why?.

maybe i should begin with a few suggestions:-.

love,.

sunny23

Family

Girlfriend

BEER!

and everything else below in a long list i dont care to type.

NHNH where is St Peters from, I love IPAs

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To Transfuse or Not To Transfuse

by Chris Tann in

when my son became baptized as a witness at age nine, it worried me that he could now get a no blood card.

i wanted to make sure if blood transfusions were really as disgusting to "jehovah" as i was taught.

i already found out some things about my beliefs that were not true, so it wasn't hard for me to be questionable about this.. i first looked in the reasoning book under blood as to why we don't accept transfusions.

sunny23

God shouldn't have made med-rare filet mignon taste so damn good. My version of paradise when i believed in it, would have been eating bloody steak everyday with sauté onions, mushrooms cooked in wine and garlic butter.

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Preterism

by Chris Tann in

when i started to do my research concerning ttatt, i started to see the scriptures in a different light.

one thing i noticed is that when the epistles talk about the last days, christs presence, the ressurection to heaven; the writers were speaking specifically of their time, not some two thousand years later.

even when jesus speaks of his presence and the kingdom being established, he was talking to his disciples of that time and what they were soon to expect.

sunny23

Apparently animals inherited Adams sin too!!

Evolution is more of a fairytale then creation. Chris

How and why? Feel free to create another thread on that topic alone and school us on the impossibilities of evolution please ;)

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Preterism

by Chris Tann in

when i started to do my research concerning ttatt, i started to see the scriptures in a different light.

one thing i noticed is that when the epistles talk about the last days, christs presence, the ressurection to heaven; the writers were speaking specifically of their time, not some two thousand years later.

even when jesus speaks of his presence and the kingdom being established, he was talking to his disciples of that time and what they were soon to expect.

sunny23

^^Well........ummm yea.

A lot of presupositions and a dash of bigotry there. "First, since it’s inspired prophecy." Perhaps researching with a view that it isn't inspired will help one to look at it logically and with less bias? There are too many inconsistencies in the bible leading me to believe it isn't divinely inspired or that YHWH is coo-coo for cocoa puffs

Also I read your linked article about Islam being the Anti-Christ and its weak attempt at using select verses from Psalms, Daniel, and Zechariah to try and prove this...complete hogwash.

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Topics Ive Been Pondering On

by JWINQUESTION in

this is my first post on here so bear with me.

currently i am still an active jw with serious questions about the jw org.

i was hesitant signing up but really need as much input from the people on this forum to get a clear understanding on things.

sunny23

Look into blood transfusions, 1914, 1975, disfellowshipping, and other questionable doctrine on JWFACTS. Happy truth seeking :)

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

sunny23

Yes it is! Each one of those individual people had their own personal story, and I believe God knew each one personally.DD

Deputy Dog, When I said "This isn't about personal suffering. Most of us here were not personally affected by the tsunami." I meant to say "This isn't about OUR personal suffering." Sorry about the confusion. Of course this is about the suffering of those who were there, thats what the rest of my post said.

I have no problem reconciling it. I'm going to die on the day God chooses by the means He chooses. I'll be fine with that, no matter how or when.DD

So God choses to make infants die on particular days as well? WOW

I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.DD

Deputy Dog read this please..

7. Answers that trivialise the reality of human suffering

For example..
Suffering will be unimportant compared to eternal rewards

Rational Response
This is ethically repugnant. Suffering is not reducible to arithmetic. This life really matters. Any philosophy that minimises the importance of physical human life is dangerous. It is the same mentality that leads to religious extremism and flies aeorplanes into tall buildings.

It is an extreme example of "the end justifies the means" defence, so beloved of tyrants.

Like other theodicies it is dehumanising by reducing humans to pawns in god's game.

Imagine that scientists developed a pill that would eradicate all unwelcome memories and create a feeling of bliss. How would you judge a scientist who imposed the most horrific suffering on millions of people, as unwilling subjects of his experiment, but who offered some of his victims one of the magic pills when it was over? (read this a few times over)