I would love to answer the door naked and try to give them all hugs and welcome them inside with big smiles. Surely they would decline and leave rapidly after failed attempts to get me to clothe myself in my own house and probably never come back AND I would FINALLY be put on a permanent do not call list to prevent females from having their eyes burst in flames.
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Three elders show up "to encourage me" after 10 years!
by Wasanelder Once in"hey brother wasa, come on back to the meetings.
" (after 10 years) so i respond that the situation with pedophiles is out of hand.
they tell me "we" elders have received tons of training on the subject, its not like it was 10 years ago.
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"Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted..."
by cappytan inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgds4z-h2i.
transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):.
please open your bibles to phil.
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WTBS and GB Not apologizing for financially bankrupting or degrading thousands perhaps millions because of false end time predictions/strong suggestions and blaming it on the readers, misquoting scientists, retracting the quotes and not apologizing, and being a part of the UN for 11 years and trying to hide it. Using world wide work funds to settle child abuse court cases and claim that the elders have "no duty to inform" the congregation of pedophiles. Causing the needless deaths of children by a bogus misinterpretation of scriptures about blood. Yea not corrupt at all. -
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For God/Truth Seekers Only!
by Nicola.threeangelsmessage infor the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.
the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.
thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).
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Nicola you said: "my God is Love and DOES NOT use His people to fight His battles. He has legions upon legions of mighty angels to do that for Him. So any fanatic that harms another under the banner of religion is NOT a follower of the true God - in fact his god is weak because he sends him to do his dirty work."
Nicola, God used His people to fight his battles on several occasions in the old testament. You are calling him weak!? Also you do realize that claiming that God would be weak if he used humans to do his dirty work applies to God using his legions of angels to do his dirty work as well right? Looks weak both ways huh?
God of Love? You must only worship Jesus then, God version 2.0. The nice one. Because OG god killed upwards of 10 million people in the old testament. This is a God of war and hatred because he is so jealous.
Exodus 34:14
14For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous,is a jealous God
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Apostasy Trial - Part 2 - Satan is Using Google
by berrygerry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=373zbncuuoq
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The elders response to the accusation that holy spirit has in the past appointed elders who were pedophiles was: "Jesus appointed Judas...where was the holy spirit? He was Gods son!"
This is a false analogy. I wish the camera man had pointed this out. Jesus and the "holy spirit" appointed Judas knowing he would betray in the end. Jesus foretold it. It had to be done to fulfill prophecy for Jesus to die for mans sins. It was predestined in the sense that Judas' future decisions and utilization of "choice" was known in advance and accepted. This was an appointment of a "bad person" in order to accomplish a larger "good cause."
Mr. Elder needs to now tell us how an elder in the 21st century is fulfilling Gods divine plan by fondling little children ;) Where's the holy spirit now!? Must be a dabbling sort of holy spirit that intervenes at random and many times not when it morally should. hmm
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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?
by EdenOne init just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
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I stopped reading at page 6 but EdenOne, You keep saying that Atheism makes claims to Gods non-existence. This is false. There may be atheist people who go so far as to make such claims but Atheism as a whole, by definition, and according to the many atheists I know, make no such claims to non-existence. Any atheist who goes so far as to try and prove a negative has made a serious logical mistake. Don't forget the burden of proof lies with the one making a positive claim (a claim of somethings existence). An atheist by definition just sits back and waits for proof and evidence and until then lacks belief in any deity until such evidence arises. They DO leave room for God.
from Atheists.org.....
Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."
Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.
Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."
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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
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Myelaine "yes God is all powerful, that doesn't mean He's going to or is even required to step in and avert natural disasters."
Superman is very powerfull, that doesnt mean hes going to or is even required to step in to avert a city from being encased by lava, flooded, run down by gang violence, or stop a rape from occuring. However how would you judge Superman if he decided to not use his powers for good and instead sit back and watch and judge people from his high chair and offer eternal life to some after death? Does this still make him a good guy?
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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
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True, not saying Jesus was perfect and he did talk of coming destructions he would bring for non belief. Just making the contrast between religions to emphasize how and why Islam is and should be considered "the motherload of bad ideas." -
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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
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Everytime I try to edit that comment it auto deletes half of it so I have to double post sorry:
Just adding to the list of murders ordered by Muhammad. Its easier to dismiss violence in the bible and go with what Jesus did and said as he didn't murder and advocate murder directly to his followers, he taught the opposite even in regards to enemies trying to kill you. Contrast that with Muhammad and what he did and said combined with the Quran verses posted here thusfar. Can you agree JD that because of the wording of scripture and types of prophets that Islam should by no surprise exhibit a higher frequency of groups like ISIS than Christianity based on human game theory over time?
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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
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I stopped reading a few pages in when it turned into scenarios where its ok to slap a woman. My spouse could demean me in the worst ways imaginable and I would leave her before I slap her. If leaving wasn't an option I wouldn't slap her as it would not make the situation any better, trust me. In fact maybe I should record her reaction when I approach her today and tell her about why I might slap her if she ever does such and such repeatedly, her response might leave me on the floor in a bloody pool as a new found eunich.
On to the rest. Reza has been meticulously deconstructed by Harris and others to the point I will no longer hear what he has to say, yes I have seen all posted videos thus far. In fact to get a more accurate perspective of Sam Hariis' view of Islam and Reza you MUST watch this 3hr long interview/debate. I might watch it again to refresh but its only 2 months old I believe.
Terry:
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-young-turks-interview
Also the actions and words of Reza on several occasions not limited to just this following link have been appauling and I find Harris to be much more composed, objective, and respectable...
https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/on-the-mechanics-of-defamation
JD: At least Christianity can fall back on the concept of Jesus actions and salvation through grace etc and have over the centuries become less violent and have reformed to the point that the bible and OT are not used in defense for slavery or violence anymore. Northern Ireland anyone? However Mohammad was a murderous tyrant and "The use of assassination to achieve political/religious goals has been important throughout the history of Arabia and Islamic expansion, and the very word "assassin"[1] has Arabic roots (حشّاشين).
This list contains the results and reasons for the targeted killings and assassinations ordered or supported by Prophet Muhammad, as well as the primary sources which mention these incidents.".....
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad
Sam Harris' goal is to get Islam entirely up to speed with Christianity in dismissing the bad violent directives and focusing only on the good scriptures or at least finding good reason for not acting on the bad ones. There are far fewer Christian suicide bombers wouldn't you say?
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Pope thinks hitting children is "Beautiful"
by cofty inone time, i heard a father in a meeting with married couples say `i sometimes have to smack my children a bit, but never in the face so as to not humiliate them.how beautiful!
he knows the sense of dignity!
he has to punish them but does it justly and moves on.
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Im not a parent yet but I have seen kids in the stores sometimes disrespecting their parents with such audacity and explicitness that I damn near ran them over with a shopping cart myself. One kid, around 9yrs old was ripping open toys and throwing them at the parent and when verbally reprimanded with a reasonable and tactfull voice from the mother, the child screamed "F*** YOU B***!!" so loud the whole store could hear and the parent tried to calm the child quietly to no avail for what seemed like 10min. The parent found no use in even getting the child to leave as he sat down and she wasn't about to drag him while sitting or carry him out kicking and screaming so she walked away to another aisle for a bit to let him cool off which didn't really help either.
Now I understand this might be the fault of the parenting in this situation over time allowing the child to take a dominate role over the mother who is too nice to do anything OR maybe the child knows mothers wont do much while in a store filled with cameras and witnesses these days. I know my brother and I took advantage of it on a smaller scale when we were kids, we would act out and fight or run around like idiots and never take the rebuttal of our mom serious as we would at home, testing her limits in public shops seemed fun and exciting I regret to say it. I could see adding a bad diet full of sugar, caffeine, bad friends at school and violent tendencies to a 9yr old these days could easily lead to what I saw in the store.
However if counseling a child, time out, taking away allowance, further counsel and reason including other authority figures and role models stepping in and yet the child does as the one I first described does without let-up, what do you do? How do you guarantee this never happens even if you have 10 children?
