Viviane

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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  Viviane

  Make it against the law to agree upon a set of beliefs as a group or under any man- no more religion.

  
  
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  Do the Rank & File JW's REALLY read and understand the bible to be able to REALLY start a study with someone???

  by ADJUSTMENTS in

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  i believe the average rank & file are illiterate when it come to the bible because they are so used to using the wbats cliff notes... even though i believe the bible is a fiction novel, at least be able to explain a novel you hold is such high regard: i mean jesus!!!

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  Viviane

  JWs, like most Christians, do not understand their holy book particularly well.
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

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  Viviane

  Seeing as how typically Christian areas are where things like ticket sales for 50 Shades are through the roof, they are more poor, less educated, less diverse and have less civil rights protections, it seems their priorities are to pretend they are awesome, be pretentious and hypocritical without any reason to do so.

  
  
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

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  Viviane

  JD, you're demonstrating that you are an excellent example of a Christian. Well done, sir.  

  
  
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  Are we heading for III World War?

  by abiather in

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  the leaders of russia, germany, france and ukraine are slated to meet in minsk (the belarusian capital) tomorrow to discuss a ukrainian peace plan!

  some countries such as hollande believe there is going to be a total war.

  when they met last year in the same place, they had put forward a peace plan (a ceasefire, withdrawal of artillery, prisoner exchanges and other concessions) that were never fully implemented!

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  Viviane

  Abiather blithely, brokenly babbles about bad bible boding.
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  The Gentile Times ended

  by opusdei1972 in

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  they will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.

  jerusalem will be trampled on by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

  (luke 21:24)this is vaticinium ex eventu.

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  Viviane

  True. But they will one day.

  Moslems run the temple mount. A temple to a false God is on the temple mount now.

  Remember, Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. This passage tells us that the Gentiles will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two Jerusalem months. Forty-two months here refers to the (2nd half of the final week in Daniels 70 week prophecy) three and one half year period known as the great tribulation, which immediately precedes the battle of Armageddon.

  This is why we can't have nice things.
  
  
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  10 reasons you should never have a religion

  by darth frosty in

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  10 reasons you should never have a religion.

  by steven bancarzjanuary 4, 2015self discovery, spirituality.

  written by steve pavlina on his site www.stevepavlina.com |.

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  Viviane

  So... the advice is to reject specific unscientific woo and belief in invisible sky people and subscribe instead to open-ended unscientific woo and belief in sky people?

  Not sure at all why that's a better option. 
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

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  Viviane

  this is a further example of what I said above. And I mean this as friendly as possible, but you've all done far moreinterpreting in this thread than I have because it is continuing to happen with my words which, 'seem' to  indicate to you what you want them to so you can lambast me. But I never said it. I never said or even thought abou claiming Christians of any enoki action are fake, or that I am the authority on how they should think and feel. Regarding the latter, I've emphasized the opposite at least three times. 

  OK. So, actually think about what you have claimed. 

  1) You reject religion BUT believe in a holy book, Jesus as the Messiah, heaven, God, punishment for getting it wrong, and have decided who has it wrong and right, etc. That's the very definition of Christian, that's how they have behaved from the very beginning. That's how Muslims act and have from the beginning. Hindu's, etc. In what sense are you NOT Christian and NOT religious?

  2) If you are comparing books and looking at scripture to determine what parts are right, which are wrong and then determining which Christians have it right, you are interpreting. Full stop, end of story. That is exactly what you are doing BUT exactly what you are claiming NOT to do. 

  3) Real vs Fake. You claim other Christians have it wrong. OK. If someone doesn't understand the rules of the road, can they claim to be a driver? If they don't understand how to start a car can they claim to be driving? Loving cars doesn't make that person a driver. Similarly, you are claiming they have it wrong but surely aren't calling them fake because you think they are sincere in their beliefs. Since when does sincerity of belief have anything to do with it? I can believe all day that I live on top of a giant gold mine. That in no way makes the gold mine real. 

  4) Authority. You claim none yet still think you can decide which beliefs are correct and which aren't. If you've no authority, then no, you can't make any claims about that which is right and wrong. If you do, you are claiming some measure of authority to do so.

  I'm not trying to beat you up, but you seem to want to do all of these things, make all of these claims but then deny that you are actually doing any of this. 
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  Show me where I said other Christians are fake Christians? I said they don't listen to their own book, not that they were insincere. 

  Well, you're one, for instance. You are denying that you have a religion yet are very much a Christian when you get down to it and are telling other Christians have it wrong. If they claim to be Christian but have it wrong, they are fake. I never made ANY claim about their sincerity or claimed that you did. You are trying to claim that 1) you aren't religious, you just believe in Jesus, the resurrection, heaven and punishment 2) other Christians have it wrong and don't even understand their own book but are totally legit and not fake at all 3) that somehow YOUR distinctions are different that when other Christians do it. 

  Hypocrite.

  As is typical of most Christians, you have a problem with reality. 

  Youre still ill putting words in my mouth. I can't even begin to explain how much I dislike you. Please stop slandering me and concocting your nonsense.

  So... 1)I really wish more people (like you) knew what slander means and 2) I really don't care what you opinion of me is.
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

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  Viviane

  Wrong. Every other christian would tell you to enjoy hell and say hi to a relative they hate.

  Wrong again. Not all Christians would say that. You are just like every other preaching Christian. 

  just because I will not allow a statement to go uncorrected doesn't mean I care whether or not the person accepts the reality of what the book says

  The Koran and Bible preach hate and death. You disagreeing because you think you are different doesn't change that plain and obvious fact. 

  I have not pressed my views on anyone and in fact took steps to avoid it.

  To the contrary, you've not only pressed your views, you've argued for how they are different and, when presented with evidence showing your bias, wrong views and dishonesty when representing others views, complained about it. 

  With all due respect to all of you, if you don't want to hear an opposing view, then keep yours to yourself. Not everyone will agree with you, and you just have to deal with it.

  Look in the mirror and repeat that to yourself.

  But viv, you do in fact back pedal and reverse yiur stand and say people said things they didn't and that you didn't when you did and it's exhausting and aggravating. So let's you and I just stay away from each other once it is clear we cannot agree- and here we will not. 

  Interesting fiction. You've yet to show a single example of that, so fiction it shall remain.  You are free to avoid any challenge to your belief if you wish. I, however, have no such need to shrink away from reality. You're agreement is wholly indifferent to reality existing.

   I do not appreciate being slandered as interpreting scriptures my own way as I do not do this - I take them as they are and put a lot of effort into placing them in their proper context to understand their cultural references and the events that surrounded them. I do not just say they mean whatever I want, because if I did that I'd still be a JW and I am not. 

  That's exactly what every other Christian does. Basically you are saying "Those fake Christians try to tell you what the Bible says and they are wrong! Now, let me tell you what the Bible says." 

  You are the exact same as every other Christian, you just can't admit it.