Posts by Viviane

So you made up a bunch of stuff and completely misunderstood both the bible and science to fit your pre-conceived lazy ignorance and lack of knowledge.

Anyone would care because...?

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Oh dear...

by GodZoo in

they should really consider keeping these signs out of reach when refurbing their halls... .

http://s24.postimg.org/5emk2ogro/screen_shot_2015_05_04_at_15_19_55.jpg.

Viviane

Stupid is spelled like that on purpose.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stoopid

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

That's what I'm talking about

Which is exactly the opposite of what the golden rule actually says.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

I really don't think that the Golden Rule would have endured the test of time if it was as stupid as some here are trying to make it seem.

Most people rarely follow the golden rule. Instead, they follow generally accepted customs in their society and defer to other people's wishes and desires.

It's actually obvious. I'm hungry, so I want YOU to eat something. So I can follow the Golden Rule. Come on, people. It's a good rule. Quit bickering about every little thing.

The golden rule is one of those things that sounds great until you actually think about what it's saying and follow it to it's logical conclusion. As far as bickering, sounds like you're the one with the problem, so feel free to exit the thread or quit partaking. What you aren't free to do is to tell me what to do.

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Coping With Atheism (Long-ish Post...sorry!)

by humblepotato in

jw
friends

long time lurker (2009-ish), first time poster.

first of all, i want to say thank you everyone who contributes to these boards and provokes stimulating conversations and thought processes.

all the opinions and different perspectives are very enlightening.

Viviane

Yes, we are easily fooled. The mind is capable of all sorts of self deceptions. Life without God leaves the mind and emotions to itself. Sometimes we get things right, sometimes we don't. The mind and emotions are capable of extraordinary feats of deception to try and make sense of things.

So Perry's argument is "Perry is easily fooled, therefore we should all believe in an invisible person in the sky"?

Wow.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

What you're calling caveats are derived from the GR, specifically from asking oneself "Would I like it if this were done to me?". If it fails that test, then whatever action you're taking is not the Golden Rule.

What I am calling caveats are actual, literal caveats. They also aren't from the golden rule. The golden rule, at best, allows for asking that, but it doesn't say to do that. You are adding on to the golden rule to make it work and no amount of pretending the golden rule says something it doesn't will change that.

The Golden Rule is a maxim, it does not attempt to spell out concrete actions. It provides a means of testing potential actions by placing yourself in the other persons shoes and asking "Would I like to be treated this way?"

Do, no does not. It literally does the opposite, saying to do to people what you would want done to you. Any concern for the other person's wishes is outside of the golden rule. You are pretending the golden rule says something it does not.

The Golden Rule does not attempt to place you over the other; it is specifically designed to counter that by asking you to place yourself in the shoes of the other person. ("Would I want this done to me?").

Again, the golden rule doesn't say that at all. It literally says to do the opposite of that.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

I don't think they're skippable, Vivian.

They aren't in the golden rule. They are things YOU are adding. They are completely skippable by anyone else.

I'd start by asking would I like someone else to skip them for me?

Again, that's YOU. Not everyone would interpret it that way.

You can't do to them as they'd like to have done if you don't know them, so you start with little knowledge and use the Golden Rule to guide your way forward.

The golden rule doesn't say to do unto them as they would like. You've got what it says exactly backwards.

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Coping With Atheism (Long-ish Post...sorry!)

by humblepotato in

jw
friends

long time lurker (2009-ish), first time poster.

first of all, i want to say thank you everyone who contributes to these boards and provokes stimulating conversations and thought processes.

all the opinions and different perspectives are very enlightening.

Viviane

The Bible does not instruct us to anoint people with shampoo.

No, but it does condone and endorse rape, slavery, genocide, abortion, murder and theft. Your god, but his own standards, is the biggest sinner of all and a bit of a shit weasel.