Brings to mind back in the early 1960s using the magazines(w, tower awake)to light a bonfire on nov 5 (guy fawks night).I obviously had no respect for them even then.
Now wheres my magazines, I hear mum cry!! Oops.
just been doing a clear out and found all my old public talk outlines and notes.
just ripped them up and threw them away.
felt really good.
Brings to mind back in the early 1960s using the magazines(w, tower awake)to light a bonfire on nov 5 (guy fawks night).I obviously had no respect for them even then.
Now wheres my magazines, I hear mum cry!! Oops.
they use vile hate speech towards the victims of the cult who leave and speak out to warn others .. .
words like.
haters of god.
Heavens g,...It must be remembered concerning JW organisation, the comments on this site are REACTIONARY because the WBTS has by its own confused, contradictory, unintelligent and provably wrong ethos opened itself up to strong contra comments.
Otherwise no one would give a monkeys .....!!!
the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.
for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.
or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.
I have said in other threads concerning much the same subject, it may be beyond the limits of the make up of our physical brain, to ever comprehend how our physical selves and world were brought into existence(created)but to attach the answer to belief in jealous gods master game plan and all the subsequencies, is presumptuous to the highest degree of ignorance.
Best let science continue with their endeavours in this field, at least they recognise and will try to correct error.
1) if an atheist becomes selfish, others have no reason to be discouraged.
but see what happens if a religious leader becomes selfish, many may copy his behavior.
[many people know how lavishly rutherford lived even during great depression].
Kate ,...you mentioned not being in a very good mood with god right now.Was there ever a time you were and if so why ?
Do you think you will be sometime in the future if so what are the circumstances which would bring that about.
Do you think god is concerned that he/she/it , is not in your good books right now.
Best wishes.
hello everyone it's nice to finally be able to post i had trouble getting emails last month and was never able to sign up.
this has been a very informative site which has really helped me grow and to think for myself.
please allow me to introduce myself.. i was born into a witness family and was baptized at a young age an was part of a small kingdom hall.
Go, u welcome and well done for being able to use your sound reasoning abilities.
Best wishes to you.
7 years ago i started on a path i had long ago given up on as impossible.
i met with my elders and told them i could not justify carrying on as a jw.
i went and got my high school qualifications and my higher education diploma (a levels with distinction) in just 12 months.
Well done and congratulations. Shall we say massive face palm to the borg.
Good luck with your career.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
Just to confirm , I was not referring to d.o, t specifically re JW politeness/arrogance. I was speaking in general terms.
I did and still encourage d.o.t to go on with his quest for answers and always wish him well with his/her endeavours .
i have been lurking for a while but was encouraged to sign up by a user on the ex jw reddit forum.
i'm a still in jw but i've been mentally out for about two months.
i'm an ms and i'm also gay so i have two lots of 'coming out' to do very soon!.
Welcime B.B, Hope your lifes journey is a happy one
Best wishes to you,
1) if an atheist becomes selfish, others have no reason to be discouraged.
but see what happens if a religious leader becomes selfish, many may copy his behavior.
[many people know how lavishly rutherford lived even during great depression].
Hi FHN,...I agree its not our duty to convince others to believe as we do, although many in religious circles do have that conviction.
Debate discussion, argument even Iis probably why we utilise this forum, by which we can gauge others views, beliefs and their reasons for such.
Thankyou for your reply.
Re inculcation, its my understanding that a young child comes to a belief in an idea or entity through repetition of the subject, the example being formal education.
Repetition is used(eg times tables)to inculcate the students mind.This then remains(hopefully) to benefit them in later life.
Likewise other ideas are repetitively fed to children, belief in santa, fairies, giants, ghosts, witches for example can be repeatedly
introduced to the young immature mind so that they do believe they are real. It is only as they grow older these notions are realised to be no more than stories, mainly
because they realise their older peer group do not believe these things. However in the case of god belief if that peer group continues to believe ,
Its more likely the young person will still hold that belief . Personally imo I fail to understand how they could come to a reasoned belief in god as truly real at such an early age.
Thats why I think most continue to believe, and of course a belief so deeply held is extremely difficult to give up, even with sound adult reasoning on the
possibility of such a being existing. That's why I come to the conclusion there has to be an adult reason for continuous belief in god.
Each will know what that reason is .I.m.o its all to do with a need within that individuals phsych which probably relates to inculcation from childhood.
In my humble opinion of course.
i'm starting to believe the bethel higher ups are trolling us.
the outright contradictions and stuff like overlapping generation is too ridiculous.
calling out the harold camping when we did the same thing.
Heavens g,....You do understand what an alternative is .I am not telling you to leave this site, its your choice if you want to stick around.
Your opinions are not the only ones to be challenged . You may feel you are being ridiculed does that not tell you something about the ridiculous nature of your comments, which leave them wide open to strong rebuttal which you construe as ridicule.
Be my guest stick around for more if you wish .
Perhaps you should ask for an opinion from your 8 buddies in New York , then perhaps not they might ridicule you for being so disloyal to the organisation.