Thanks kate, I wonder how many other god ' experiences are down to psychotic experience, anyway as you say another thread.
Best wishes
i have come to the conclusion that science cannot prove or disprove the existence of god.
however the scientific evidence available is compelling enough for me to believe that a creator is responsible for life on earth.. i have read much about powner and understand the work he is doing.
i am interested in your views as to his credibility.
Thanks kate, I wonder how many other god ' experiences are down to psychotic experience, anyway as you say another thread.
Best wishes
i have come to the conclusion that science cannot prove or disprove the existence of god.
however the scientific evidence available is compelling enough for me to believe that a creator is responsible for life on earth.. i have read much about powner and understand the work he is doing.
i am interested in your views as to his credibility.
Hi kate ;... Phizzy touched on the emotional need for belief in god.
I have sympathy for that viewpoint.
You have said in a few of your posts that you don't believe god punishes or rewards us, and that god is not concerned(is indifferent)to our suffering.
How do you reconcile the claims of believers who would argue(without proof) that god has indeed demonstated to them the actions you deny?
Would you say they were wrong in their judgement?
Could you be persuaded to believe in their take of gods interventions by their testimony?
My point being these are emotive reasons although conflicting for belief in god,
Which is correct ? Is it not therefore possible both are wrong as there is no proof to substantiate either.
Best wishes
breaking news :charity commission takes watchtower to charity tribunal in britain.
two weeks ago we run an article about the abuse case in moston manchester congregation .it would seem that the coverage from the main local newspaper manchester evening news and two national newspapers has alarmed the charity commission the official regulator for charities in england and wales and now for the first time !
they opened an official investigation on both charities ,the local one ,moston congragation and the central one jehovah's witnesses of britain indicating that in their eyes these two are connected and liable for any misconduct .this is the time for a concentrated campaign from all of us to inform the charity commission why the watchtower should not be a called a charity .the article above has a link for the charity commission complaint page .follow it!.
Who is breifing the charity commision lawyers.
This is the crux of the matter?
they must have unsurmountable incriminating evidence to stand a chance of exposing these weasel twisting charlatans.
Precedents have shown WT to cleverly bend the facts.
A satisfactory outcome for the victims is I'm afraid in the hands of skillful and well informed lawyers.
Who has that responsibility? Us?
breaking news :charity commission takes watchtower to charity tribunal in britain.
two weeks ago we run an article about the abuse case in moston manchester congregation .it would seem that the coverage from the main local newspaper manchester evening news and two national newspapers has alarmed the charity commission the official regulator for charities in england and wales and now for the first time !
they opened an official investigation on both charities ,the local one ,moston congragation and the central one jehovah's witnesses of britain indicating that in their eyes these two are connected and liable for any misconduct .this is the time for a concentrated campaign from all of us to inform the charity commission why the watchtower should not be a called a charity .the article above has a link for the charity commission complaint page .follow it!.
I hope this is the start of the 'come uppance' for these hypocritical charlatans!!!
i strive to understand things by standing in a different spot and looking again.
i like to recontextualize things everybody seems to accept automatically and comfortably.. why?
to be able to see it for the first time, again.. .
I'm sure there are SOME people who feel happy and stable that AL QUAEDA ARE LOOKING AFTER THEM!!.
"judge" rutherford defined or classified all religion as "a snare and a racket" in his books "religion" and "enemies".. after rutherford's death in 1942, his protege, watchtower vice president, and aclu darling, hayden c. covington, in the early 1950's, for reasons of legal expedience and supremacist aspirations, suddenly converted the watchtower into a religion.. this was done alongside one of the most audacious, spurious and longstanding swindles of the us legal system.
this involved twisting philippians 1:7 and misrepresenting the watchtower's true nature, objectives and activities.. .
this meant that it became necessary for the watchtower to suddenly reclassify and redefine religion (w51 1/15 p. 43 new legal booklet well named; w51 8/15 p. 511 questions from readers; yb75 p. 161 part 2 "for gladys bolton...").. two new watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".. now "true religion" meant "true beliefs" whilst "belief" in ever changing watchtower doctrine was equated with the one "faith" of scripture.. all this while the watchtower increasingly and maliciously truncated, obfuscated and hid the liberating full "good news" (or unabridged gospel) of scripture, which it lyingly claimed (in court) that it was actually "defending and legally establishing".. how would you have defined religion before learning ttatt?.
An entrapment for the gullible, unwary, emotionally vulnerable their families..
All under the masquerade of sanctuary.
there is an implicit pact between the magician and the audience.. .
i should now like to discuss this pact and use the bond between performer and audience as the premise of something else i will reveal at the end.. .
shall we continue?.
Very good Terry, a lot of words . Here is a summary(I hope you don't mind).
THE WATCHTOWER ARE CHARLATANS!!
BEST WISHES.
i am preparing for my meeting this friday with miss k. we are reviewing the bible teach book, and she is looking forward to "showing me some things about the divine name.
" i don't know what she might pull out of her hat this time... but that section of the teach book is so completely assanine, i don't even know what to say.
) what did jesus mean when he said that to his father?.
Doug;...quite right!..original hebrew psalm 89.6:...who among the sons of EL..is like yahweh.
The top dog Canaanite god El had sub gods even godesses, one of whom was yahweh.
The Israelites liked the attributes associated with this sub god and decided to make him their only god.
Hence the use of Elyon(god most high)came to be seen as yahweh , but in truth it was really a hijacking of the canaanite god El.
Many passages in the O.T. show that polytheism was not totally eradicated in the early Israelite culture.
Best wishes
my best friend of 14 years and maid of honor passed away 2 months ago at age 32 after battling breast cancer for 6 years.
i haven't been the same since for many reasons.. as a jw kid i believed 144,000 chosen went to heaven, the good people would be resurrected including those who didn't have a chance to hear about jehovah, and the rest, which were of other religions and bad people, died and would cease to exist.
again, because i was a kid when i left, i never really understood the jw position on death and why they came to their conclusion.
This is a question no one can answer.
Any answers will be guess work, supposition depending on your own personal reason for requiring to believe that there is an afterlife.
Some peole are inculcated from childhood and just continue with that belief unquestionably.
Some lose loved ones and are directed by charlatans to believe they will be reunited with them, quoting religious man made texts based on stories and myth ie zero proof.
The ONLY certainty is that we will all cease to exist.
If you have blood family who survive you (children, grandchildren )some of your dna will carry on and hopefully have a positive bearing on your future generations.
So a little part of you in theory will go on in our natural physical world.
Best wishes.
so i have heard a few of us talking about a newly released book to replace or add to the proclaimers book?.
is that correct?.
if so, i wonder how much they have re-written history to cover the real truths?.
Vast amounts of B... Sh....t. Causes more stench. !!!!