unity identifies true worship........ comments on these 3 paragraghs.
7 the one source of spiritual instruction first-century christians enjoyed unity because they all received encouragement from the same source.
they recognized that jesus was teaching and directing the congregation through a governing body, composed of the apostles and older men in jerusalem.
I could never figure it out either...
they say they're not inspired prophets,
but they claim god is directing them, and they have a lot to say about what's coming "soon"
but still they keep getting stuff wrong and need to make changes.
I smell a rat. A big, fat Brooklyn Blowhard rat.
former jehovah's witness, pioneer and bethelite woman is disgusted over how much money her parents gave to the watchtower org., over 160 gorgeous acres of land in upstate new york.
one of the watchtower farms buildings was built on a portion of this land.
she will be telling her whole story and how her life was adversely affected by the "evils of the watchtower org".
Coffee Black is absolutely right. The WT is a heavy handed, strictly authoritarian organization who's rules must be obayed no matter what. The individual counts for very little.
Most JWs I knew were decent people who have been lied to, manipulated and fooled by the leadership. Yes, there were jerks too. It's noticable that the higher up people rise in the organization the more they start to resemble their Brooklyn bosses.
All of us were conditioned to present only the "positive" face of the society to those on the outside. We believed it was what god himself wanted us to do.
The organization reminds me of the "Soup Nazi" on the Seinfeld show, if you question or speak out there's no paradise for you!
If you've never been a JW under this type of control you just don't fully understand.
It's vital that people see all aspects of this damaging cult. I'm grateful for the insights and experiences that others share. I've been helped and I hope we can all help others get out or stay out of this religion.
Much harm has been done by the WT, but I believe the tide is turning slowly. People don't seem to follow so well these days, and if I can help the rot set in and folks get out, that's a good thing in my view.
hi all, i've been reading this site for several weeks and i really liked the community and it seems like a good place where i discuss my concerns openly.. about me: .
i've been studying since elementary school, i became an unbaptized publisher in elementary school too.
i currently am in high school.
Glad to hear you're breaking free. Don't look back, onward and upward.
maybe the effect of this change is bigger than realized?
in 1995, it was discussed (positively) by everybody, during the week we studied the wt.
one elder stepped down and was looked down upon.
Tough to trust an outfit that can't define the word generation. If they're so right in god's eyes, why do they keep mucking things up?
A generation comes, a generation goes...what's it all mean - who the hell knows!
As far as being spiritual guides, the GB should be wearing dark glasses and carrying white canes.
this is pretty sick.... http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/11/former_jehovahs_witness_preach.php.
coffee .
The elders say that they will never harm a child again.
Sure...and the "elders' should know after all they're directed by holy spirit, right? NOT!
Isn't the holy spirit supposed to watch over and protect the congregation?
Amazing what you see when the light is shined on the JWs, not as clean as they would like everyone to believe.
No spirit, no protection, no nothing good here.
Why doesn't god step in and do something about these happenings right away?
god rest his soul.
although i never met him personally, he and i did correspond a number of times, and i have numerous friends who have not only met him, but stayed several days with he and cynthia at their home.
if nothing else, ray was kind, non-judging, and generous.
They are instigators and perpetrators of a morally bankrupt sect that sucks it's energy and sustains itself by snaring hapless victims into a life on total servitude while in return giving back only more burdens, guilt and a never-ending litany of requirements to qualify for an imaginary existance that is being forever postponed.
Scammers, charlatans, destroyers of families, robbers of life. A disgusting self absorbed privileged few heaping vitriolic and hypocritical judgement toward the masses while barking out endless orders and grandiose lies upon the few.
Just had to get that off my chest. I WAS a victim but no more. I will always fight against these criminals with smiling faces. Oh yeah, con-men too.
god rest his soul.
although i never met him personally, he and i did correspond a number of times, and i have numerous friends who have not only met him, but stayed several days with he and cynthia at their home.
if nothing else, ray was kind, non-judging, and generous.
Adolph Hitler was a victim of his fathers cruelty but in no way did that excuse the horrors he brought upon millions.
It seems we get tripped up on the word victim here and what it implies. To say Hitler was a victim himself almost excuses in some small way the things he did.
There can be no justification.
Same with the GB. Maybe they were victims of something at sometime in the past, but whatever it was pales in comparison to the damage and destruction they create and perpetrate even now.
There's just no excuse for them or their actions. They goose step their way through the lives of millions, tearing families apart and demanding unquestioning loyalty and obedience.
Victims? Give me a break!
god rest his soul.
although i never met him personally, he and i did correspond a number of times, and i have numerous friends who have not only met him, but stayed several days with he and cynthia at their home.
if nothing else, ray was kind, non-judging, and generous.
Are some who are naive upon thier appointment to the GB? Maybe.
However I don't believe they remain naive once on the inside.
god rest his soul.
although i never met him personally, he and i did correspond a number of times, and i have numerous friends who have not only met him, but stayed several days with he and cynthia at their home.
if nothing else, ray was kind, non-judging, and generous.
The Governing Body has always contained a mixture of personalities, some are alpha leaders while others are compliant followers. Membership brings a shared responsibility (even when you fall asleep during the meetings).
Franze saw errors and tried to correct them from the inside and as a result was given the jackboot.
To his great credit he didn't crawl back but continued to put the spotlight on the wrong and help many, many others escape.
Thanks Ray.
god rest his soul.
although i never met him personally, he and i did correspond a number of times, and i have numerous friends who have not only met him, but stayed several days with he and cynthia at their home.
if nothing else, ray was kind, non-judging, and generous.
If you know from the evidence that something is, or has been wrong but you knowingly turn a blind eye, what does that make you?
A person who hears his neigbor viciously beating his wife but does nothing is...
These Governing Body men are manipulators of the evidence before them and like the nasty neigbor, no matter how much a person may want to believe he's a good guy the screams tell a far different story.
No excuses. The "Buck" has to stop somewhere.
