Posts by StarTrekAngel

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Mr Jackson declines to appear in RC

by StarTrekAngel in

http://www.jw-archive.org/post/125844213823/geoffrey-jackson-declines-to-appear-before#at_pco=cfd-1.0&at_ab=per-15&at_pos=0&at_tot=14&at_si=55c27690475c6bb3

StarTrekAngel

http://www.jw-archive.org/post/125844213823/geoffrey-jackson-declines-to-appear-before#at_pco=cfd-1.0&at_ab=per-15&at_pos=0&at_tot=14&at_si=55c27690475c6bb3

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LDS church becoming more transparent says NPR

by StarTrekAngel in

that was what the radio said yesterday.

it prompted me to look for the topic.

the following link speaks of the same issue but is not from npr.

StarTrekAngel

That was what the radio said yesterday. It prompted me to look for the topic. The following link speaks of the same issue but is not from npr

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mormon-church-to-release-historical-documents-that-shed-light-on-joseph-smith_55c0e22ae4b0c9fdc75dfd79?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592&kvcommref=mostpopular

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Australian branch co-ordinator Terrence O'Brien gets called out for lying to the Royal Commission

by Mickey mouse in

watch from 1:47:00 as angus stewart of the royal commission investigation into child abuse calls out the australian branch co-ordinator for lying about geoffrey jackson's role on the governing body.

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StarTrekAngel

If Mr. Jackson doesn't show up of his own will (no summon required), the lie will be further substantiated in my book.

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

I do not think that giving all the R&F a copy of the policy would be any form of punishment. I think that if I was a GB member and they offered me such a punishment, I would take it, comply and declare victory over the world. Further indoctrinating those who are still in.

Nothing short of a mandate to report all cases to the authorities or encourage the victim to do so, unconditionally and without repercussion would be acceptable to me. Please keep in mind that I am not a victim myself and neither do I know anyone who has been. The subject is too sensitive and the legalism of the watchtower too good for any indoctrinated R&F member to see anything wrong with the policy or make anything of it.

If Jesus was not willing to be a judge between two brothers over financial matters (where simple Math would have offered a fair outcome) what makes these nutjobs think that they can judge over a sexual abuse case?

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They know the RC is going to be an issue: August Broadcast talk with Tony

by leavingonthenextplane in

they are told that persecution is coming and that all will see it.. they are told that there will be lies in the media about us.. they even give the old brother king interview about brothers being jailed.

the last sentence tony the tiger damn near screams at the camera to stay faithful you integrity keepers... he knows your fathers and husbands may be going to jail.

this talk is all about damage control.. .

StarTrekAngel

I think Tony was using double language when he spoke of child medical care. If I was to openly interpret his direction, and in context with the history of the matter, I would understand and translate the following for you...

"You bloody idiots!!! Stop causing us grief by so blindly following this old teaching that we can not change!!! Don't you see that we can not help you there without risking our precious money in litigation???. Go take care of your children, Exercise your right to medical privacy and don't tell anyone of what you did!!!"

The other ironic thing I noticed, almost like a sign from God ( a bad sign for them) is that Australia was passing right in along in the background map as they changed the camera aim to Tony for the closing remarks.

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Has the WT ever said it's okay to steak rare?

by neverendingjourney in

i'm revisiting an old topic here, but this was a subject of much confusion for me when i was still a witness.

i went to a spanish congregation in the u.s. and it seemed to be taken for granted by most that you needed to cook beef thoroughly to "get rid" of the blood.

i was surprised when i learned that folks in the english speaking hall would order a steak medium-rare and think nothing of it.. it wasn't until after i left the witnesses that it started to occur to me that if the red fluid that was present when you'd cut the beef was blood, cooking it thoroughly wouldn't get rid of it, it'd just cook it and transform it into another color.

StarTrekAngel

Blondie, I am assuming here that you are asking me. Just in case, the answer is yes. I recalled a handful of talks and watchtower commentary from the WT study conductor. Like I said, is not a subject that comes up often. I've been a witness in a South Texas spanish congregation for over 10 years and I think I've only heard this twice or three times. However, the effects still remain. No one in my family will eat undercooked meat. I know where it comes from and while they don't openly say it, I know that is what it is. I often do my BBQs medium to medium rare. I can almost gamble with this and make money. If the inside of the steak is redish but no red juice comes out of it when you squeeze it, then they are fine with it. But if red juice is left behind on the plate or serving tray, then they ask me to put it back in the grill.

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Why is the GB so concerned with the well-being of the accused in matters of sexual abuse?

by paradisebeauty in

i'm reading some documents from the royal commission and i don't get it, why so much concern for the accused and his reputation???

i'm starting to think maybe some gb members have things like this in their past, because a normal human being would not take the side of a sexual predator over a child....united states branche x e c u t i v e o f f i c e sto watch tower societyaustraliagsc/as january 21, 1999 no.

176sit is understood that if the law requires elders to report cases of child abuse, they should complywith the law and do so.

StarTrekAngel

While I definitely agree with Vidiot, I think the point the RC was trying to make is the inequality being shown towards the victim. The point was that there is written direction on how to treat the accused with respect but there is no written direction on how to treat the victim. Had there been some more direction on how to treat the victim, then I believe the RC would have passed on this. The elder that was questioned about this attempted to explain that, regardless of a lack of written direction, he tried to explain that he felt that it could be assumed the victim would be given the same respect. Although we know that in practice it did not happen, the justice system does not rely on feeling and assumptions as much as it relies on evidence. Thats were Vidiot's comment fits in. The GB is probably too concerned with themselves to write about how to protect others.

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Are they trying to make me feel like crap?

by StarTrekAngel in

so i have not reported a single hour of fs or family worship in over 8 months.

have not given a single comment in a meeting for over a year.

a few weeks ago, my brother in law, who is an ms now, approached me.

StarTrekAngel

So as an update, I called one of the elders. Fortunately for me, Mr Arrogant elder, head of the MS is out of town visiting (wait for it...) Bethel. So I called another elder. One that I've known for a very long time. One of those elders that are just as much of a victim as any other R&F. He doesn't know it off course, but you can tell that his position as an elder has not gone up to his head. Very decent guy. I explained to him that I did not feel comfortable doing the assignment and told him that I felt the pattern was no coincidence. I stopped short of blaming anyone at this point. I want this to be confusing to them, not confrontational. He thanked my for my sincerity and integrity and he agreed that it would be bad for me to take on such assignments. I told him that I would rather not take in any more parts for the time being. I explained I've been having issues at work and some other family related matters that have caused me a great deal of anxiety. The issue of raising children came up (he is a father of two as well.) and he agreed that family is first. He also stated that "the society has always said it" that family should be our top priority. He also commented on how draining his job as an elder is. He honestly believes all the "Times of the end" crap because he says that he has been attending meeting with the CO and "the state of the local congregations is concerning" (his words). He related the high number of cases of depression, decease and "pressure from the world". To him these are signs that the GT will explode any second now. I nodded to everything he said while I was wondering how many of said congregation are being rattled by the news coming from Australia and else where.

So in a nutshell, I did not directly quit the MS but I did tell him I did not want any more assignments. Time will tell if he did hear me right and if he will communicate this properly to the other elders and especially to the MS elder. I will keep posting updates as they happen. I am pretty sure some of the other elders will like to have a word with me when they hear the news. Like I said before, my aim is to get them confused. Confusion has managed to keep this religion afloat just as much as it has perpetuated the UFO and alien theories. Might as well try and see if it works on this case.

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Has the WT ever said it's okay to steak rare?

by neverendingjourney in

i'm revisiting an old topic here, but this was a subject of much confusion for me when i was still a witness.

i went to a spanish congregation in the u.s. and it seemed to be taken for granted by most that you needed to cook beef thoroughly to "get rid" of the blood.

i was surprised when i learned that folks in the english speaking hall would order a steak medium-rare and think nothing of it.. it wasn't until after i left the witnesses that it started to occur to me that if the red fluid that was present when you'd cut the beef was blood, cooking it thoroughly wouldn't get rid of it, it'd just cook it and transform it into another color.

StarTrekAngel

I do remember public talks on the matter. I know is not something that is often brought up and there is probably no written statements. I think that most of the issue is a consequence of hispanic culture. Eating blood in Latin America is a very strong tradition. Blood sausage specially. I would almost bet that the subject was originated by some elder or CO who decided to use his own ignorant reasoning and spread the word because I do remember being told this. I've always liked my meat medium. Besides being delicious, it is well known that the cooking process lowers the quality of the protein. I too arrived to the conclusion that even if it was blood, cooking it would not make it different. I did so a long time ago, even before awakening. If cooking blood would make it ok, then eating blood sausage would not be a problem. If they really want to be so picky about it, then they need to start letting JWs now that they need to wash their steak until it gets pale. Just like some jewish people do.

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Interesting development

by InquiryMan in

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/08/04/jehovahs-witnesses-change-abuse-rules.

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jws in australia agrees to change procedures in regards to reporting abuse..

StarTrekAngel

I am sorry, its early morning here in Texas and I am barely beginning to get the caffeine kick. I fail to see in the article where a change is pointed to. Seems to me that is actually the very opposite. Can someone "enlighten me"?