Posts by StarTrekAngel

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Geoffrey Jackson: "That would be presumptuous of us"...

by Calebs Airplane in

within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.

however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.

he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.

StarTrekAngel

Mikeinkona brings an excellent point. This is a common theme on the few JC that are recorded online. Just like it happened to Jesus, there is always that moment when they realize they are being cornered and they have no case. They turn around and the demand you answer that one question. Do you believe the GB is the FDS

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Did you hear Stewart use the bible to prove an incredibly good point to Jackson!!

by umbertoecho in

i thought at the end, stewart made brilliant use of scripture (about establishing fornication or other sexually immoral practises) how, in such a clever way stewart used scripture to point out that some one could basically stake out someone's house to see if a person stayed over night be they homosexual or heterosexual............that on the basis of a sort of stakeout, the two witness rule was ambivalent yet it prevailed.

due to sufficient suspicion.. and therefore why did this "suspicion" not prevail with child sexual abuse.

StarTrekAngel

The part I've love the most was when Jackson tried to point the bible page number to Stewart and Stewart went "I've already have it!"

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The Royal Commission and Watchtower - A game changer

by Hidden-Window in

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friends

i had finished watching all the videos on the royal commission's investigation of jehovah's witnesses (yes, i know more videos are being released).

i am still processing the information of everything that has emerged.

i do not plan to cover it all here, but i would like to point out that it is patently obvious that some of the wt representatives provided misleading information.

StarTrekAngel

I believe a change in this aspect is possible, even from the WT perspective of things. I can already imagine the tears running down the women's faces when they announce "their new light on the matter". The same happened when the new school was open which included women. The problem here is that all they are going to change is semantics. The header ship of the man is not going to change. It will be all smoke curtains again. Fifty years from now we will be having another hearing, this time women will be testifying that the concluded the perpetrator was guilty, but the elders overruled her.

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Mr Jackson said we would notice if the GB said things outwith the scriptures????

by notsurewheretogo in

in the rc yesterday mr jackson said that if wrong direction was given by the gb, the rank and file would notice it.

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i see plenty of things that the gb say that is not in scriptures but if i say the gb are wrong i'm df....

StarTrekAngel

He said that no witness is expected to follow their direction if is not in harmony with the scriptures. He later on remarked that they provide the current interpretation of scripture. Circular reasoning at its best.

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Flying the Plane By Committee

by freemindfade in

"in god's view, men and women are equal.

but even people who fly airplanes realize you can't fly an airplanes by committee there has to be a pilot and a co-pilot.

a woman is a co-worker, a complement, the bible refers to her as."-gj.

StarTrekAngel

I say the contrary. I believe the analogy is flawed, because the co-pilot is just as qualified the carry out the flight while the woman in the congregation is not. The captain has the last word but even that is now under questioning. Many aircraft accidents have been attributed in part in the reluctance of the co-pilot to question the captains decisions.

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My Husband Lies

by disillusioned 2 in

my husband went to the assembly at the weekend.

a few people asked about me, why didn't i go anymore?

he lied and told them "i don't know"!

StarTrekAngel

In my case, my wife had questions of her own in her past. She was inactive for a while and continued to be inactive for a few years after marriage. Then we both started studying (it was my first time but not hers). There was a few bumps during the study time as the elder who conducted it was a bit in the arrogant side and he said a few things to upset her. We moved pass that and for a few years we lived a pretty normal life. You know, normal as normal gets, but we were not hard line JWs (Oral sex is amazing!LOL). It took me a good part of 10 years to get to the point of baptism (longer in her case). After a death in the family she got more resolved to get to paradise. I was beginning to doubt but wasn't even considering reading "apostate" material. I remember that every now and then we would find out about something bad (like I remember when we first heard about the Conti case) but they were mostly open ended conversations. As the org was getting more and more cultish, I began to do more research. Eventually our conversations got more serious until one day she realized I was not backing down from the conversation but rather sounded like a dissenter. Off course, she doesn't care about men (as in the GB) but she felt I was ranting against God. Her first shock was the idea that something that we did together for so long was coming to an end. Then she began to question my real motives. For a while, this seemed like a sore side that was never going to go away. I began to stress a lot, even realized I was having some symptoms of PTSD (burst of anger for seemingly small issues, even against my kids sometimes). My job was getting stresful too so that did no t help at all. Eventually she told me she accepted my position but I had to accept hers. I told her that she was asking me to accept something I felt would hurt her or us in the long run and I could not easily do that. Fortunately for me, such statement would cause her to ask me why, rather than ignore me. It took many tears and long conversations.

I tried steering the whole conversation, not to wether the cult was right or wrong but rather ask simple questions, in many different forms. If they can be wrong and change things, why do we have to have this fight? If i am concerned, which part of "love" does not allow to listen to my concern? If I came to you and told you I had cancer, would you give me the cold shoulder just because the decease is inside me and not you? I know we don't share the same view, but inside of me I have a concern regarding this organization and you don't want to help me address it. It does not sound loving to me. Do you realize that I can not even voice my thoughts in front of my own family? I know you won't give me away to the elders, but our kids are too young and if I said anything and they accidentally mention it to anyone, what would happen? My own family is being used as a means of rooting out dissenters. Is this what Jehovah had in mind when he created the family union? What ever happened to being one flesh? In a nutshell, I tried to make sure my choice of words said to her that I needed help, not that I was trying to tell her she needed to re evaluate her belief. Sometimes she would go to great lengths to tell me that even if this was wrong, she did not know another way and that other religions did bad things too. She claims that if it wasn't for this religion she would be a total bitch and that I would have probably left her by now. I told her that I understand that but just because they made her a better person, they were not entitled to anything. I told her it wasn't them who made her a better person, it was the bible. But even if she wanted to credit them for teaching and showing her, I said, would you let our neighbor come and please himself on you every day because he save you when your house was caching fire? Obviously the answer is NO. I said, you can thank them for it but you don't owe them anything.

Did these and many other questions lead to her waking up? No, not at all although it should have. This much work (I am talking about a year worth of suffering) was what it took to just get her comfortable enough with the idea of us discussing difficult subjects without feeling attacked. I think she began to realize that these old farts (GB) were not worth her marriage and family. She is now much more willing to look and research, although I think she is at a state now where she is reading stuff but thinking she will not let this bad press alter her faith. We've discussed several subject together and even looked at some of the JWFacts articles together. All in due time.

Sorry for the long post but I know what it feels like when you need some positive encouragement.

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What are JWs saying about the Royal Commission?

by LexIsFree in

i am wondering if there are any pro-jw blogs/sites that any of you visit and whether or not jws are aware of what is going on in australia.

also, what is there reaction to it?

(i may already know the answer to that last question.

StarTrekAngel

Go to JW-archive, there is quite a few interesting animals there. At least four different threads were started on the matter. Some asking for prayers for the elders in questioning, others pointing out the RC as the start of the attack of Gog of Magog (is anyone surprised?). Some very harsh comments there from JW and non JW alike. As someone said, moderators and other hard line JWs have even made comments like "I am reporting this site as apostate", simply because some brothers dare to publicly admit this is wrong.

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My Husband Lies

by disillusioned 2 in

my husband went to the assembly at the weekend.

a few people asked about me, why didn't i go anymore?

he lied and told them "i don't know"!

StarTrekAngel

Not only protects you, but it may also turn out that it protects your relationship. For as long as the elders or the cong in general doesn't know what is going on with you, they won't be able to do much. IF they ever found out and also became aware as to how far out you are, then they will inadvertently (and I say this because they won't realize that they too been conditioned) begin to build a wall between you and him. This will happen by means of the things others mentioned, gossiping, slander, passive aggressive comments, etc. If he has a hard time talking to you know, wait until that happens.

This is one of the many ways in which you can show yourself how cultish this org is, they use their own members to make sure to cast out anyone who is not fully in. There is no middle stand with them.

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My Husband Lies

by disillusioned 2 in

my husband went to the assembly at the weekend.

a few people asked about me, why didn't i go anymore?

he lied and told them "i don't know"!

StarTrekAngel

Give him a break, I think he feels he is protecting you. I could be wrong, but my wife has actually done the same to shield me from getting a shepherding call. Unless off course you want them to know.

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Witness behavior in my gym ....

by SecretSlaveClass in

about two months ago two very attractive ladies in their mid 30's signed on at one of the gyms i belong to.

for a while i noticed them watching me and naturally i assumed they were taking an interest in how i went about training my clients since many do before they decide to approach me and inquire about my services (i own a health and fitness consultancy).. sure enough one of them approached me a few weeks back and asked me for a business card, inquired about rates and various other aspects involved with signing on with me.

i handed her a card and explained that my client schedule was full but she should consider signing on with one of my personal trainers who still had some open spots available.

StarTrekAngel

I am not sure that a woman that wants intellectual recognition goes around poking and touching men.