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  Half of the cong was dancing last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  so went to the meeting last night.

  i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).

  besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Thanks Shadow for the posting regarding the. I stand corrected.
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  Half of the cong was dancing last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so went to the meeting last night.

  i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).

  besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

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  So went to the meeting last night. I had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago). Besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

  So first there was a big lie. Not that is uncommon but it makes me curious if this lie was in the talk outline or the elder made this up. It was related to the spiritual cleansing carried out by Hezekiah and how he wanted to celebrate passover once he was done cleaning the kingdom of false worship but he was a month late. He proceeded to do it anyway, on the 14 of the next month instead of Nisan. However, the elder giving the talk said that there was a provision in the law that allowed him to do that. I don't know where he got that from.

  Anyway, the funny part was that the meeting was going to be close with a new song. 142. They told us that this new song had the new orchestra, so we would listen to the song first and sing along after. Funny thing is that as soon as the song started you could see the face everyone was making. My 12 year old leaned over to my ear and said "How tropical!", my wife looked at me in disbelieve and I said "What the hell?". A couple of sisters in front of us were rocking their hips at the beat of the song.

  When it was over and we got to the car, we were all laughing. Wife said she did not like that at all. Mother in law said that she felt like she was in one of those churches with the big chorus and the hand up in the air.

  IF they would just think a little harder...
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  Need advice on fade...

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
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  the elder that was the coordinator of the boe has just left town to attend one of those infamous schools with this wife.

  the view is that he will most likely return to be appointed co. not sure he is going to stick around here for a lot longer.. i am saying this because, despite them knowing he will return when the school is over, they removed him from the coordinator position and appointed someone else.

  it was announced last night that the biggest jerk of the group of elders is now the coordinator of the boe.

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  Thanks all for your input. For those who suggest straight out DA, I do agree, but I have a wife and I need to thread carefully. She is fully aware of my position but I intend to try and have her open her eyes. I've been threading slow, very slow and I am sometimes surprised at some of the things that happen.

  while it was a small family thing, we actually celebrated my wife's birthday and we did the same for our youngest daughter last August. I know my wife does not think much of it but for her to admit in front of the children that we are going out to dinner because is A.... Birthday, is a step in the right direction that I did not expect. Jan 20 is the next B-day. I already bought gifts and my wife surprised me by asking me suggestions on what she could get for our oldest.
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  Lurkers: A truth is either true, or it isn't. There is no in between.

  by cappytan in

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  truth is absolute.

  there is no such thing as 2=1 or 1=2.. if one starts out with the equation 2=1, one has already failed.. truth = truth.

  you cannot change whether something is truth or not.. when the organization teaches one thing as a truth (ex.

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  Lets put it in context. There might be some "truth" to what coalize says.

  Binary truth...

  Is the world binary? (binary answer is NO)

  If so then, are we discussing the truth of the world or the truth of the bible as put forth by the JW? (binary answer is "we are discussing the truth of the bible as put forth by the JW")

  Is the bible truth binary? Binary answer is YES

  Therefore, the truth as discussed in this case is binary and absolute. No prophet ever had more than two answers to a question.
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  2016-01-01 BOE Re: 2016 Memorial and Special Talk

  by wifibandit in

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  2. beliefs

  pdf.

  thank you atlantis / wtunderground !.

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  DFed in the memorial?

  To boost up numbers? May be.. but.. are they going to be worthy of passing around the wine and the bread? if not, what do you invite them for? To make them feel like shit?
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  Need advice on fade...

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the elder that was the coordinator of the boe has just left town to attend one of those infamous schools with this wife.

  the view is that he will most likely return to be appointed co. not sure he is going to stick around here for a lot longer.. i am saying this because, despite them knowing he will return when the school is over, they removed him from the coordinator position and appointed someone else.

  it was announced last night that the biggest jerk of the group of elders is now the coordinator of the boe.

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  The elder that was the coordinator of the BOE has just left town to attend one of those infamous schools with this wife. The view is that he will most likely return to be appointed CO. Not sure he is going to stick around here for a lot longer.

  I am saying this because, despite them knowing he will return when the school is over, they removed him from the coordinator position and appointed someone else. It was announced last night that the biggest jerk of the group of elders is now the coordinator of the BOE. He is a misogynist, authority and power hungry man who has no problem bragging about his elevated position.

  in your experience, is it better to pull further away from the org in cases like this? or is it better to slow down?

  My concern is that it's been over a year since my last FS report and no one has come to visit. On itself is a good thing, but I am starting to think that the previous coordinator was a much nicer and understanding person. I am afraid this guy is going to be more aggressive.
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  2015-10-26 BOE Re: Video Equipment in Kingdom Halls

  by wifibandit in

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  2. beliefs

  pdf.

  the date of the letter is october but it was just released today, 2015-12-22..

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  StarTrekAngel

  Yeah.. wait until the CO comes around and sees no video equipment. Resolutions to purchase it anyway will come around soon after the visit
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  Does Jehovah Intervene - JW Teaching

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been a jw my whole life and i have never been able to get a clear answer on this question.

  jw's do not believe that jehovah will intervene if someone is sick, dying or stopping a car crash.

  they feel that jehovah is letting "this world" play out before he solves all of these problems.

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  This "mysteries" are usually solved, in one way or another, by answering that we don't know why God does what he does, as many here have stated. What we forget, once those big lingering questions begin to pour in to our minds, is that we were once told, earlier in our indoctrination, the other faiths were false and insensible for teachings things like "we don't know why God allowed your child to die, but we do know he must have a plan for you"
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  Organization, not a concept established by God

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  i was dwelling over a discussion going on at jw-archive.

  the old topic of the legitimacy of the gb and the concept of centralized organization.

  despite what the wt claims, there are a number of examples in the new testament of actions and decisions taken without direction or even the awareness of the elders in jerusalem.. despite whatever other evidence jw may have about the organizational tendencies of god (namely the creation, universe, whatever else they usually bring up), the concept of an organized nation never originated from god.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Interesting comments. Thank you all very much.

  It seems to me that is also pretty evident that the bible indicates the need for a nation had nothing to do with the idea of organized religion. By the time the bible mentioned that mankind began seeking God again, there were plenty of splinter groups of men, kingdoms and villages. Each with its own set of Gods. All of them attributed their successes to their Gods and payed sacrifices to their Gods when they felt blessed. This is why every time the bible mentions of people who came to recognize that Jehovah was the true and only God. In Exodus 18:11, Jetro recognizes that "the lord is greater than all other Gods..", meaning he had others, but none had acted like this one and shown proof of his might.

  Building a nation was a fulfillment to his promise to Abraham, which ultimately was needed to proof all other nations that he was the only true God. Therefore it was not necessary for anyone to actually be with the Israelites in order to be accepted by God. Take Rahab for example. Once she recognized her Gods were worthless by the witnessing brought to her, she was able to save herself and her family, despite being a prostitute and not a worshipper of Jehovah, up until the last moment. Building a nation was a tool for establishing sovereignty just as much as if it happened today God may have chosen to build a political party. The commandments were the constitution and once the sovereignty was well established, there was no more of a need for it but the Jews continued as a nation, which is expected, but just did not get the idea that as a social and political unit, they were no longer relevant. Therefore, from what I read, building a nation was not the cause, but an effect, a sort of a necessary consequence of carrying out the plan. Just like when entire mini-cities are built around large projects, like large dams, but then even when the project is complete, the towns live on.

  In conclusion, taking the example of Moises as a way to show God wants an organized religion in order to accept the worship of men, is misleading, at best inaccurate and has no scriptural support.
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  Organization, not a concept established by God

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was dwelling over a discussion going on at jw-archive.

  the old topic of the legitimacy of the gb and the concept of centralized organization.

  despite what the wt claims, there are a number of examples in the new testament of actions and decisions taken without direction or even the awareness of the elders in jerusalem.. despite whatever other evidence jw may have about the organizational tendencies of god (namely the creation, universe, whatever else they usually bring up), the concept of an organized nation never originated from god.

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  I was dwelling over a discussion going on at JW-Archive. The old topic of the legitimacy of the GB and the concept of centralized organization. Despite what the WT claims, there are a number of examples in the new testament of actions and decisions taken without direction or even the awareness of the elders in Jerusalem.

  Despite whatever other evidence JW may have about the organizational tendencies of God (namely the creation, universe, whatever else they usually bring up), the concept of an organized nation never originated from God. If we stick to the bible references, the first time that Moises organizes the Israelites, not much later after leaving Egypt, was after he was advised by his father in law, not God. Jetro was not part of the group that left Egypt, neither he seems to have been a Jew. After Moises told him of everything God had done for the Jews, he proceeded to recognize Jehovah as the true God. Something that fits with some accounts of him being of, not only a different religion, but one that may have worshipped multiple Gods.

  In a nutshell, there is no evidence, not even as far back as the times of Moises of God ever imposing a mandate for organization. Being organized makes sense, sure. It was logic and common sense what drove the logic behind such decision but never does the bible showed that God approved of it in a manner that such requirement would be deemed necessary for deliverance or salvation, as it is portrayed today by the WT

  Does anyone have any other bible based thoughts for or against it? Taken from the perspective as if you were trying to discuss this with a JW.