Posts by StarTrekAngel

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Why the 2 witnesses rule is not worth attacking........barking up the wrong tree!

by krismalone in

some former jw protesters are wasting their time and energy "exposing" or criticizing the watchtowers 2 witness rule here's why:.

lets suppose the governing body changes this and expells anyone accused of child molestation even if accused by one person.

would that solve the problem?

StarTrekAngel

I think you are bringing up a social issue rather than a religious one. Many pedophiles walk free in the legal system and rape more than one kid before they actually get caught and sent to prison.

Unfortunately, religious freedom involves a degree of impunity for certain actions within the religious realm. In this group, we discuss the latter. Because the WT insists that they do not shield pedophiles and in their minds they are absolutely correct because a pedophile is not a pedophile unless there is a second witness. If they were to get rid of that rule, then the authorities are likely to be involved more often. Provided that this is also not perfect, the moment a victim is able to report their abuser without fear of retaliation from the elders, then it is much more likely that they will come forward.

Expecting the congregation to publicly announce pedophiles is far too unrealistic at this point. Both from the JW culture perspective as well as from a legal perspective.

Much more damage is being done by holding back the victims and pressuring them into silence. This entire silencing process depends strictly in the two witness rule, simply because the two witness rule is the only way they can silence the victims using the bible. If the bible wasn't involved, they would hardly have any tools to control them.

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Pull the Plug Already...

by megaboy in

after reading and seeing so many detailings of the dealings with people in this religion, i have to wonder how to get people who are just extremely asleep.

reasoning doesn't seem like it works, there needs to be some kind of plug pull event, like the leaders doing something so uterly stupid that it causes the immediate downfall of the entire religion.

but because i am naturally curious i want to know from people who have more experience with jw structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this?

StarTrekAngel

Do I really have to explain what I really mean when I say cult? It shocks me sometimes when we can't have a conversation in the same lingo when most of us here come from the same background.

Going back to the "choice". I don't believe an indoctrinated person can really make a "choice" that one would consider personal. Sure is a "choice" if we limit the definition to the dictionary as we did with cult. But is it really a choice you can hold them fully accountable for? If so, it pretty much brakes the well known usage of the word cult that we all talk about in this site.

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Pull the Plug Already...

by megaboy in

after reading and seeing so many detailings of the dealings with people in this religion, i have to wonder how to get people who are just extremely asleep.

reasoning doesn't seem like it works, there needs to be some kind of plug pull event, like the leaders doing something so uterly stupid that it causes the immediate downfall of the entire religion.

but because i am naturally curious i want to know from people who have more experience with jw structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this?

StarTrekAngel

Where does the definition of "cult" goes if you insert "their choice" into the mix?

Honest question

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Leaked - Video tape inside Watchtower HQ of protest Nov 5, 2017

by Listener in

i saw this on jw reddit and thought, okay that will just be one of the protesters videotaping near their security entrance but it's really from inside the hq's.

i doubt the org.

will be happy that this was taped and leaked.https://rutube.ru/video/2dbc8185062524a41ed8c9e2117ca39d/.

StarTrekAngel

This is no security footage... you can clearly see that it was handheld and you can hear the camera operator on the radio. Also, the pictures were clearly aimed at identifying individuals. Whether that was for DFing purposes or just in case things turned violent and the pics were needed as evidence.

One of my friends was at that protest. I don't see his face on the video but he told us just last week that his mom informed him everyone in his former congregation knows he was there.

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Stranger Things on Netflix

by Cimarrona in

i've been knee deep in this netflix series "stranger things," which is a science fiction show about a group of adolescent friends in a town where a government lab has been doing experiments.

it took me like a year to get around to watching it.

but so glad that i finally started.

StarTrekAngel

Watching it with my kids.

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What would you do for next November 5?

by Faded in

jw
friends

i think everything has to start somewhere, and you can see the passion and commitment from those loyal 50 that showed up in warwick yesterday.

the event was not very well organized but you could see the passion & dedication from most of them.

and i think they at least touched a couple of people at the kh yesterday.. having an annual day of action actually inspires me.

StarTrekAngel

Pick a date on October. Make it coincide with some 1914 theme

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JC letter of invitation. Do they always get signed?

by StarTrekAngel in

i was just shown a jc letter from a friend and i noticed that the bottom of it was signed by tree elders.

the letter specifically stated that it was an invitation to a "judicial committee" due to the brother having a marital relationship that was not aligned with bible principles.. i am asking because i remember reading experiences of brothers who demanded their jc be arranged over certified mail with signed letters to which elders refused to do.

since they could not get this done the matter was dropped and no dfing ever happened.

StarTrekAngel

If I recall correctly he went to live with this woman without marrying her.

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JC letter of invitation. Do they always get signed?

by StarTrekAngel in

i was just shown a jc letter from a friend and i noticed that the bottom of it was signed by tree elders.

the letter specifically stated that it was an invitation to a "judicial committee" due to the brother having a marital relationship that was not aligned with bible principles.. i am asking because i remember reading experiences of brothers who demanded their jc be arranged over certified mail with signed letters to which elders refused to do.

since they could not get this done the matter was dropped and no dfing ever happened.

StarTrekAngel

LOL. I blame my keyboard which is not bilingual as I am.

Yes, I meant 3 elders.

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JC letter of invitation. Do they always get signed?

by StarTrekAngel in

i was just shown a jc letter from a friend and i noticed that the bottom of it was signed by tree elders.

the letter specifically stated that it was an invitation to a "judicial committee" due to the brother having a marital relationship that was not aligned with bible principles.. i am asking because i remember reading experiences of brothers who demanded their jc be arranged over certified mail with signed letters to which elders refused to do.

since they could not get this done the matter was dropped and no dfing ever happened.

StarTrekAngel

I was just shown a JC letter from a friend and I noticed that the bottom of it was signed by tree elders. The letter specifically stated that it was an invitation to a "Judicial Committee" due to the brother having a marital relationship that was not aligned with bible principles.

I am asking because I remember reading experiences of brothers who demanded their JC be arranged over certified mail with signed letters to which elders refused to do. Since they could not get this done the matter was dropped and no DFing ever happened. I think the explanation went back as to the letter becoming official and how it can be argued that there is formal judicial proceeding taking place outside the formal legal system.

Can anyone correct me of refresh my memory on this?

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Random thoughts of an ex-JW on a coffee break

by StarTrekAngel in

lately i have been finding myself doing a lot of thinking.

not that i am smarter than the keurig coffee maker in my office, which lately has made me reevaluate the perception of my professional career.

somewhere along the way between winding down my relationship with my now ex-boss and starting a new one with my current boss, i noticed that the machine complaints with a message on a touchscreen….

StarTrekAngel

I think that maybe, you don't have enough to do. Just a thought whilst having my morning cup of tea.

LOL. You may be right. This whole ordeal only took about 15 min which is the allowed morning break by company standards. I did not "steal from my employeer" by overextending my break. The GB would be proud of me

Bobcat

I agree. I was putting things more on a frame of reference regarding the Mosaic law as interpreted by the JW. In all theory, those women were just as deserveful of death as were the rest of their families. If the loving punishment for her wicked family was death rather than eternal suffering in a hell of fire, then why is it that it was permissible for her to suffer at the hand of her captors?