Posts by StarTrekAngel

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Cult or Religion

by Richard C B in

what is a cult and what is a religion?

its open to debate.

who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

StarTrekAngel

Within the realm of spirituality, Jesus could be defined as a charismatic cult leader in the sense of the dictionary meaning of the word.

Lets put in context. Assuming you are a believer now or putting yourself in the shoes of a believer in the times of Jesus, he had ways to show the source of his authority as a cult leader. None of the modern religious leaders of today have such proof and that is where the word "cult" takes on a different meaning than just plain worship of something or somebody.

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Shunning legal since 1987

by TheWonderofYou in

legality[edit].

in june 1987, the united states court of appeals for the 9th circuit upheld the witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by jehovah's witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text ... the defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs ... the members of the church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her.

we hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100].

StarTrekAngel

I would not be surprised if shunning was redefined when presented in this case.

Most people tend to think that we had a choice and we made it when we became members. Not realizing we were enticed into something that happened to be completely different than what we were told. Such ruling may assume that you knew everything about the religion before you when full blown in.

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So changes were made, but who cares because were so deep into the end, nothing the Organization does, really matters—does it?

by John Aquila in

so i called a few jwdubs that still talk to me, not to try to convince them of anything or wake them up but to try to get a feedback on how they took the big meeting change and other announcements.

generally speaking, all the ones i talked to were not even fazed by the changes.

many of them still didnt even realize the meeting format had changed and thought the layoffs were a normal thing that happens all the time.

StarTrekAngel

I don't personally believe ignorance is all that is at play here. Sure ignorance plays a part, but I believe the power of indoctrination is greater than any one of us can tell, even after having survived it ourselves. This people are just victims. We were once victims. We were once willing to answer in the same way.There is definitely not going to be anything that will cause a mass awakening, no matter how big the event may be. The branch davidians, at least those that survived, are still alive and many still live in the old compound in Waco, TX.

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Hidden From Jehovah's Witness videos

by Vortex in

this video deal with some really important information that i wanted to share with you all, looks like it may have hit a nerve in the watchtower, because the stock link he mentioned in the video has been taken down, it was up yesterday, he says he plays chess and anticipated they would do that, so he supplied a secondary link to the same information.

the entire 8 part series is very informative exposing alot about watchtower doctrine, and hidden elements.

here is the link to the video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0lrdx3vpug.

StarTrekAngel

They have no control but they can see what the fund is made of. I believe the argument here is not wether they intentionally benefit from questionable investments. The argument is wether they check were major donation are coming from. If I donated 20 million after winning the lottery, no one would question where I got it from. If I told them I was going to play the lottery with the intention of donating half of whatever I made, I would be asked to the backroom. If I took money from a shady deal which may have involved fraud or violence, not asking where the money came from is not an option for me as a regular R&F member. If I get caught in the latter, I would most certainly be DFd.

Sure I agree a lot of people have a wishful thinking. They want to catch the WT taking on blood money. This sure can be qualified as blood money, not by us, but by their own definition.

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Prayer Question I Had After Sundays Watchtower...

by freemindfade in

while i was sitting through another grueling watchtower, dying from my brain being turned into cult pudding, i had this thought after i heard this read: .

when we express our most intimate thoughts to god in prayer, he may answer us through a bible passage, an article in a magazine, or an encouraging word from a fellow believer.

-august 2015 watchtard.

StarTrekAngel

I was being sarcastic

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Prayer Question I Had After Sundays Watchtower...

by freemindfade in

while i was sitting through another grueling watchtower, dying from my brain being turned into cult pudding, i had this thought after i heard this read: .

when we express our most intimate thoughts to god in prayer, he may answer us through a bible passage, an article in a magazine, or an encouraging word from a fellow believer.

-august 2015 watchtard.

StarTrekAngel

No, what did not understand is that if you pray to the wrong God, Jehovah would not compel your heart to read the right magazine or talk to the right brother who could have provided the answer...

oh no.. wait, that would be a form of bibliomancy, which is forbidden. Let me research the topic and get back to you in a future visit.

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On a need to know basis - The Letter

by no-zombie in

we've just had our sunday meeting and the letter was read out to the congregation.. however, there was no mention of the bethel lay-offs or the building program shut-downs.. looks like we are on a need to know basis, here in australia..

StarTrekAngel

Yes. I do believe the layoffs and the construction halting is true, is just that I noticed how everyone spoke as if such information was part of the letter when it wasn't. I believe we had several venues to confirm the rumors but the letter itself wasn't one of them.

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On a need to know basis - The Letter

by no-zombie in

we've just had our sunday meeting and the letter was read out to the congregation.. however, there was no mention of the bethel lay-offs or the building program shut-downs.. looks like we are on a need to know basis, here in australia..

StarTrekAngel

Not sure why people kept thinking this was going to be announced. The letter was leaked and we knew it said nothing about layoff.

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A call from family - Armageddon this month!

by kaik in

i very seldom receive a call from my jw siblings, i mean seldom.

i can count them on my hand in past 10 years.

while we talk about mom a lot and i am in touch with her, i was very surprised when i received this call.

StarTrekAngel

Good one blondie. Need to keep that in mind for when that question comes.

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I hope the letter about deleting the Theocratic school is true.

by John Aquila in

yesterday i was with a group of brothers that wanted my advice on re-roofing a home.

three of them were ministerial servants.

all of them are from the spanish congregation.

StarTrekAngel

By the way, if you like the tango from "take the lead" check out the music from "Gotan Project". You'll probably like it.