Posts by 4thgen

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Does Anyone Feel the Ministerial School Helped Them?

by Band on the Run in

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as a born-in, i was eager to join the ministry school.

my cousins were also born-in but lived in different states.

there was keen competition to see who could do mature things, such as baptism (my mom said when i was 35) and ministry school.

4thgen

Never. To force someone into a traumatic situation and them tell them publicly everything that they did wrong in that situation is abuse.

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Who Was Shocked By the Watchtower UN NGO Scandal?

by AlanF in

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i'd like to get comments from people about whether and how much they were shocked, surprised, or otherwise bothered by the watchtower society's becoming an associated non-governmental organization (ngo).. note that i'd like to see these comments because they might lead to some interesting publicity, so please comment accordingly.. alanf

4thgen

DesirousOfChange; Yes, denial is sometimes easier than acceptance.

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Jesus did not take the 'two witness' rule literally. He was concerned with the overall evidence.

by yadda yadda 2 in

at first glance, jesus appears to strictly support the two witness rule here:.

john 8:16-18 but if i do judge, my decisions are right, because i am not alone.

i stand with the father, who sent me.

4thgen

Yadda....Yes. Yes! Very interesting thought.

Additionally, if there needed to be two witnesses to prove things true, what about the Bible accounts themselves? Since Moses was the only one who spoke to God in the burning bush, did that mean it didn't happen, because no one verify the conversation? Likewise with countless other examples in the Bible. Jesus talking with Satan on the mountain. The visions of John written in Revelation. etc. etc.

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Can you imagine the organisation ever doing this?

by Dis-Member in

chicago archdiocese releases child sex abuse fileshttp://rt.com/usa/chicago-archdiocese-child-sex-abuse-976/.

4thgen

Never. They would either destroy the evidence or hide it under the guise of "Theocratic Warfare"

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Who Was Shocked By the Watchtower UN NGO Scandal?

by AlanF in

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i'd like to get comments from people about whether and how much they were shocked, surprised, or otherwise bothered by the watchtower society's becoming an associated non-governmental organization (ngo).. note that i'd like to see these comments because they might lead to some interesting publicity, so please comment accordingly.. alanf

4thgen

joe134cd: I feel your pain.

Put simply: At first I was confused; then hurt; then outraged! That new fact changed my entire life.

When I found out about NGO, I was in the middle of my own **2nd** family/WT child abuse scandal. I was so confused what was happening with the WT and the elders. It felt like I was in a fun house. What was black was white and what was white was black. I didn’t realize it at the time, but I was in the midst of cognitive dissonance. I knew there had to be an answer to the craziness of the situation None of it made sense, so I searched for answers determinded to find the truth.

During my research, I stumbled on the information about NGO. It was so upsetting, as we had preached for years about the coming destruction of the U.N.! Then I remembered wondering about a picture in the Revelation book with the world leaders and seeing on the side of the picture in small letters something about 'courtesy of the U.N.' and thinking how odd that was. Well, that began another researching tangent. I tried to prove to myself that it was all untrue. But I couldn‘t. The evidence was there. It was true. Learning about NGO was the turning point for me in accepting the TTATT and the answers to the abuse quandary.

It was at that point that I stepped out of the fun house; When I looked around, I saw that white was still white and black is still black. It changed my life. I can’t say I’m especially overjoyed that I found TTATT, as it affected my entire life as a 4th generation JW....BUT I am satisfied that I have made the right choices and am settled in my mind and heart. It's dealing with those who are uninformed that is a challenge.

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The real reason behind the Revised New World Tranlation

by raymond frantz in

usually i'm spending most of the meeting reading through the bible .so my time spend there is not entirely lost .i used to enjoy how in the old nwt you could look up a verse and then following the side references i could get a pretty good picture on that verse.usually the explanation would be contrary to the official jw doctrine.last sunday meeting i opened the revised nwt to do exactly the same thing ,and then it hit me !

the revised nwt has removed more that half of the references used in the previous version.what more the references they left only lead you to verses that support jw doctrine.this a watered down version of the previous edition.what do you think ?could it be that this is part of their continous plan to dumb down all remaining jws?.

4thgen

Ray: Good way of putting it....

Data Dog- Love the 'RNWT for Dummies'....that is great! They seem to have a whole series going on, including the 'simplified' WT

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1/21/14 Chicago archdiocese hid decades of child sex abuse

by 4thgen in

here is the latest about the chicago archdiocese documents....i can't help but wondering if the wt will send out a letter to all congregations to destroy all documents for child abuse cases.

watchtower-gate?.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/chicago-archdiocese-hid-decades-of-child-sex-abuse.

4thgen

Here is the latest about the Chicago archdiocese documents....I can't help but wondering if the WT will send out a letter to all congregations to destroy all documents for child abuse cases. Watchtower-gate?

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/chicago-archdiocese-hid-decades-of-child-sex-abuse

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2013 WT CD Library?

by blondie in

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will the wts be issuing one (or has issued onne already?

) or will the www.jw.org online library be the future?.

4thgen

Wasblind:

Yes, I remember a few years ago, my COBE who was 80+ was downsizing and moving. He felt very 'up to date' when hey chose to get rid of their old bound volumes and rely only on the CD. He told me that many of his friends were doing the same thing. At the time, I felt a little sad, because I love books, but I couldn't blame him. Who would have known where all this was to lead? Maybe that was the WT's plans all along...encourage streaminglineing to get some to dump the printed page.

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Would the Jehovah's Witnesses be willing to celebrate their spiritual birthday every year?

by I_love_Jeff in

one of their spiritual sisters said that since jesus attended weddings, that makes it okay to celebrate annual wedding anniversaries.

using this logic, since jesus approved of and attended his own baptism, that should, therefore, make it okay for jehovah's witnesses to celebrate their spiritual birthdays on that same day every year.

how exciting to have this new adjustment to our understanding of birthdays!

4thgen

Ding, Now THAT"S something to celebrate!

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Would the Jehovah's Witnesses be willing to celebrate their spiritual birthday every year?

by I_love_Jeff in

one of their spiritual sisters said that since jesus attended weddings, that makes it okay to celebrate annual wedding anniversaries.

using this logic, since jesus approved of and attended his own baptism, that should, therefore, make it okay for jehovah's witnesses to celebrate their spiritual birthdays on that same day every year.

how exciting to have this new adjustment to our understanding of birthdays!

4thgen

Nah, too much self glorifcation, I expect. Anything that would detract, (even for a day), from the popularity GB would not be welcome.