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  An important message from a PRACTICING Jehovah's witness

  by Sparks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi, i am also a practicing jehovah's witness and very proud of it,to say the very-very least..!

  i am a middle-aged man with many decades of being a witness of jehovah god in england.. this important letter is personally to you, just as many of the bible's 88 letters are to be taken personal by you the reader.

  i am writing to you to urge you to take stock of your life, think what your future holds for you.

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  4thgen

  So how much time did you get in by typing that? Didn't you want to stand by the trolley?
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  You ought to know positively the appearance of your flock

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this famous line from proverbs 27:23 (in the old nwt) is used for elders and the organization to justify field service reports.

  but, what is this verse talking about?

  is it about overseers in the congregation?

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  4thgen

  Interesting....23You should know well the appearance of your flock. Take good care of your sheep,
  24 For wealth does not last forever,

  I guess the elders got to know that appearance of the flocks $$$$ when they requested monthly donations!
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  Watchtower transformation to JW.org - step by step TTATT recap

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower has been making cunning and calculated changes in the organization to gain more money, power and control.

  jwn has a multitude of posts on the rapid metamorphosis of the watchtower into jw.org.

  please feel free to comment and interject your thoughts.

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  Hi Data, Regional....Humph...you are right, what a scam!

  LP97: Absolutely! Your comment made me think about the scripture (or was it a proverbs) about dealing treacherously with a person when they are dwelling in peace with us. It's is abhorant what the WT is doing to the unknowing flock!

  Steve, You made me laugh....vicious terrier to Russell's cuddlesome toy dog. I agree, there most likely not be any growth....just contraction. Only the ignorant would worship a website! I guess, change had to come with time. If they didn't update into the internet age, it would be a has-been religion. (It is already to those of us who know TTATT.)

  Thanks for posting.
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  Watchtower transformation to JW.org - step by step TTATT recap

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower has been making cunning and calculated changes in the organization to gain more money, power and control.

  jwn has a multitude of posts on the rapid metamorphosis of the watchtower into jw.org.

  please feel free to comment and interject your thoughts.

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  4thgen

  The Watchtower has been making cunning and calculated changes in the organization to gain more money, power and control. JWN has a multitude of posts on the rapid metamorphosis of the Watchtower into JW.org. Please feel free to comment and interject your thoughts. This list is certainly not definitive. What is missing? What other changes do you see coming?

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  SETTING THE STAGE: The controversial ‘mentally diseased’ article, followed by the subsequent articles relating to being blindly faithful: Regardless if it makes sense from a human standpoint. This started a modern day sifting, leaving behind the credulous ‘company men’, who would be blindly loyal and easily manipulated.

  TIGHTENING CONTROL: Only the diehard and gullible would celebrate the 100 year invisible reign of Christ, along with the overlapping generation nonsense. If the rank and file would agree accept that, they could be tricked to forget failed prophecies and they could tighten their control, even to the point of demanding tithing from the impoverished.

  ASSET PROTECTION: With the lawsuits against the Watchtower and the millions of dollars paid out as hush money to abuse victims, they began a campaign of extreme asset protection. They built an impressive legal corporate veil to shield themselves from future litigation; while making the individual elder(s) legally responsible for their own actions. Also, the new arrangement for elder appointments would shift legal responsibility from headquarters to the Circuit Overseers.

  REAL ESTATE: The Watchtower made billions of dollars with the liquidation of the Brooklyn World Headquarter buildings. They also sold many of the Branch buildings and Kingdom Halls as non-preforming assets. They cunningly positioned themselves to have control over local Kingdom Hall funds, had a scheme for the repayment of renovation loans and got title to Kingdom Halls. They hid all these newly acquired assets under layers of a corporation veil.

  Lush retirement complexes are being purchased. This carrot is being dangled for those older ones to keep loyal. Passive income for the Watchtower may also be generated, as the social security checks are diverted to Watchtower coffers.

  The cry for more financial aid is coming in to build the new World Headquarters in upstate New York.

  REBRANDING: Due to failed predictions, abuse law suits and legal wrangling, a marketing shift is taking place. The changes are coming so fast and furiously, that the average, loyal JW is distracted from the real reason for the shifts.

  Jehovah’s Witnesses have always been known for their door-to-door activity. So to distance themselves from their old image, they are now using trolley carts and more mainstream methods of recruiting. The Revised New World Translation was also introduced to make the religion appear more conventional.

  MARKETING: JW.org leads to publication cost savings and content control. The promotion of JW.org leads to more internet ‘hits’ and bring their website to a top position for an internet search. Years ago, many were encouraged to dispose of their older literature in favor of the Watchtower library on CD rom. With this new publications list on line, failed predictions and outlandish statements that were made in older publications can now be changed with the click of a button.

  TECHNOLOGY & LARGER GATHERINGS: In 2013, they had the first remote annual meeting. Since this event was a success, they could begin the downsizing of the District and Circuit Assemblies for more cost savings. Congregations are now encouraged to purchase big flat screen TV’s for virtual meetings. This leads to less overhead and more control of content. This is eerily reminiscent of the movie 1984, with its cult like gatherings in front of large screens, Big Brother and changing the written publications.
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  I got asked THE QUESTION !!

  by Tech49 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a little experience that happened very recently:.

  another brother, an elder, and i were talking, i was explaining to him and giving him several examples of how a couple of the elders in our congregation were blatantly trying to run their own show, parading themselves around as "representatives" of the body, when the other brothers didnt know what the hell they were talking about.

  they are using their "elder powers" to bully and push people around, causing a bit of angst and hurt feelings.

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  If you are ever asked The Question, it matters not the motive of the person asking, your response will seal your fate.

  Make a firm decision before you are ever asked the Question where you wish your answer to lead.

  Phizzy - AGREED! The question is for witch-hunters. It's all about sifting and they WILL go after you if the answer doesn't ring true to their ears.
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  In what KM or literature were JW's told to not put the WT logo on podium or buildings?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the 80's it became a trend to put the wt logo on the front of the speakers podium where others put a cross.

  i always hated that and spoke against it to the body of elders.

  i shut up and it was put there anyway untill a km came down that said not to do it.

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  Thanks Blondie. Great post as usual.

  stuckinarut2: Great point about idolatry. I remember in the 70's when some Brothers wore had YHWH tie clips and some had bumper stickers. They were counciled.

  But today the JW.org marketing is bringing benefit to the WTBTS, so they will probably encourage it. But you are right....it's better to proclaim the Tetragrammaton than a website. How screwy is their reasoning?
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  Hello

  by ladystellas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello i m ladystellas, new here.. greetings to all.. .

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  Hello. Hello. Welcome!
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  Any Educated Guesses...........??

  by sparky1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a friend of mine is trying the 'slow fade' like i did.

  he is a third generation witness and comes from a prominent family in his circuit.

  his uncle stepped down as an elder because he had doubts and could not serve anymore (although for now he remains a witness in good standing).

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  i Sparky, I was going to be a smart A and make a crack about which overlapping generation, but thought better of it. :)

  The GB certainly has time on their side. Where are those who saw 1914? 1925? 1935? DEAD. DEAD. Almost DEAD. When they refer back to those who left due to organizational changes, they term it a 'sifting work' or those were 'weak in faith'. Maybe years from now, IF they own up to the falling publisher numbers, they will call us weak as well. But, WHO CARES?????? We know TTATT and can live our lives now in peace and freedom from tyrants.

  As for the comment about taking it up with the 'driver of the chariot', well apparently the driver doesn't know where in the world he is going! We had clear directions for years, but when things didn't come true, they took a 180 turn around. From the internet from being evil to God's channel. Jesh!

  As for those of us that are pre 1975, since we took to the council to keep our lives simple, no college, IE no real money now to retire...we are not looked upon as having any authority. It's all about power and money now. The aged are not looked at as powerful, and we certainly don't have much money. We will (or are) looked on as 'old school' or has-beens. the term: "Old Fool" comes to mind.

  As we aged and learned TTATT, we are certainly wiser. As we speak up, maybe they will listen or maybe not. Either way, our lives are much happier and peaceful.

  It's a cult.
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  How would you summarize the basic message of the Watchtower versus the Bible?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for me personally:.

  watchtower - don't sin, don't question, don't think, don't reason, don't leave, or god will kill you in hell the big a.. bible - all dysfunction aka the "bad news" has been legally defeated by the "good news".. (i believe we are therefore free to begin naturally and progressively transitioning from a primitive type-0 civilisation if and when we choose to and when consensus reaches critical mass.

  we will become a more advanced type-1 civilisation in the next 100 years according to michio kaku in "physics of the future".).

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  Bible: Love your neighbor as yourself and your God with your whole heart.

  WT: Be loyal, keep quiet, keep in subjection and sell literature.
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  Ministy School - Endless, without graduation - How could we?

  by 4thgen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesturday, i was talking to a friend and she said that in order to get a degree from a local college, they require a completed a public speaking course.

  i said that was no problem, because i had been in a public speaking school for 40 years.

  she looked at me like i had three heads.

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  Thanks all! I guess we not alone.... Prologos Loved the point: "The "school" is also about power over you, that is why you never graduate. they have eternal power over you."