Posts by 4thgen

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

4thgen

Hi Flipper,

In the late 1970’s there was an elder in our hall that was removed for having sex with a minor within our congregation. He was disfellowshipped and the girl disappeared. (Moved to a different area) Through the years, the brother became reinstated and worked hard to regain his reputation. He was told that he would never serve in the capacity of an elder again.

I saw the brother a few months ago and he said that he had good news to tell me. He said that they were considering him for a position within the congregation. I asked him how that could be the case. He said that the new CO said that since the incident happened years ago and he evidently has displayed Jehovah’s spirit, that it was possible within the next few months he can be appointed a MS and shortly afterwards an elder. He was so excited at the prospect. I care for the person, however I was devastated at the news.

My ex was also an elder and was removed and publically reproved for domestic battery. He has been working towards reappointment himself. Although he has not been reappointed, he works behind the literature counter and has various responsibilities within the congregation. He is hoping to gain a helping hand to into a position of authority again.

I shudder at the thought of any of this happening, but it is understandable from the viewpoint that there are very few men reaching out for oversight. THE WT is in a bind and need qualified men. HOWEVER, although it is understandable, it is unacceptable that these people could regain positions of oversight. Can you imagine if either of these men was reappointed and were assigned to a committee dealing with abuse? The victim would not stand a chance given their background and attitudes. God, I'm so glad I'm out!

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How would you respond to this defense made on behalf of The Watchtower's Child Abuse lawsuits?

by adjusted knowledge in

details of the society's child abuse policies have been published in jehovah's witnesses' publications, although more specific guidelines are only made available to elders, or on request.

press releases issued by the watch tower society's office of public information confirm that if a person accused of molestation repeatedly denies the charges of his victim, and there is no other witness to the incident, "the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time", but would report to authorities if required by local laws.

our families jehovahs witnesses and child protection.

4thgen

They can say whatever they want, but it's by their actions that you see where they stand. It's not what they SAY it's what they DO. And they aren't doing anything to repair the damage or to correct the problem. They are only interested in CYA.

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Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

by Richard_I in

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this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

link to video.

i'm writing a transcript right now.

4thgen

Some phrases that were attention grabbers:

“…OTHERS knew of the problem (abuse) and covered it up” He was trying to distance the organization from their cover-ups. Hypocrite!

“….the plague of the new morality and the abuse of children.” B.S. It’s not part of the new morality; pedophilia has been around for centuries!

“it is clear that over the decades protecting children from abuse is a top priority for THIS organization. We are proud of our reputation in this regard.” OMG, Top priority? Yeah top priority to cover it up! Proud of their reputation…what is he smoking?

Then at the very end, they segued smoothly from child abuse into the evils of having a worldly career. If you listen carefully, you will note that they correlated the two things of equal measure. Child abuse and choosing a career.

It is sickening!

As for body language, did you notice he kept shrugging? It was quick, but he did it numerous times. Is he maybe trying to 'shrug' off all the accusations?

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My thoughts on the RC 2015

by StarTrekAngel in

having endured three days of dashing attempts at further indoctrination, i feel the need to write up some of the stuff i left with.

it is just good therapy.. right away the change was noticeable in the air.

the assembly hall in la feria, tx still smells like new.

4thgen

Thanks for sharing. Sorry you had sit through it all..

Marked for future reference.

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Strange Moment During The 2015 Regional Convention

by JW_Rogue in

hi, i'm new here but hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere yet.

during the "imitate jesus" rc there was a strange moment where they played a video of a brother trying to explain the 1914 teaching.

the brother quickly goes through all the scriptural "proofs" and the householder is dumbfounded.

4thgen

Freeminds hit it right on with "They seem to be making things try to seem light hearted and comical" in addition, when he says that he didn't get it the first time either...was a bit condescending. It was as if to say that the JW's get it, but he doesn't. Bringing that out at a District Convention or whatever they call it now, in that manner was as if one not understanding just didn't have the mental capacity to grasp it. In reality, it's all BS, that's why he didn't get it!

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Mentally Diseased - is it partly our fault that we got this label?

by cappytan in

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i was thinking about this the other day.. a common way for apostates to "fade" is to pretend to have depression or anxiety problems.. is it possible, that when apostates become known, the elders report to the society that said person was undergoing mental health problems?

i can see a scenario where the society then took those statistics that were reported and just decided, "well, it looks like the only ones leaving are those with mental diseases.".

oh, and not to mention the subliminal messages conspiracy theorists.

4thgen

THEY have always correlated 'spiritual weakness' with being 'mentally unbalanced'.

It used to be that the WT never admitted that someone who was active could ever be clinically depressed. (they were not putting Jehovah first or they wouldn't be depressed or so they indicated) and if you just had enough faith you would not need medication or assistance from mental health professionals. It was a big deal when they actually admitted that the elders were not qualified to handle all cases.

They will never admit that THEY are the ones unbalanced and in need of mental health assistance (my preference is a lobotomy for them) for all the spiritual abuses they heaped upon the willing sheep.

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Why a new "World Headquarters"?

by 4thgen in

i just dont get it.

the gb moved to patterson and are conducting business from there, right?

they are not printing as much literature as they once were and they are still operating walkill for the magazines...er a ....pamphlets.

4thgen

Very Interesting!

Thanks for the interesting thoughts!

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The Religion Of Rejection - And Now That Includes Me

by dubstepped in

due to some recent developments i find myself in a new place, and at this point i've lost all of my family and fri....oh that's right, i never really had any friends in the organization anyway.

just people that wanted something from me and a few people that i would invite to do things that occasionally said yes.

the recent rejections of me got me thinking, so let's take a rejection inventory.. i had to reject all of the holidays when my parents started studying.. i had to reject any worldly friends that i already had.. even family became rejected, and the new religion had some place in that.. i was rejected in school and bullied all of the time, not just because we were poor and i made good grades, but for jw reasons too.

4thgen

dubstepped - Thank you for putting your feelings down in writing. I do not believe I have ever heard it put that way before. Upon reflection, yes ours was a religion of rejection. We were always taught that to be approved, we must be hated. Sick, isn't it? It takes a long while to rebuild, especially with all the deprograming that we have to go through. Two very positive things are your wife and your brother. That is a solid foundation on which to begin your new life. Expect ups and downs. You have made a wise decision. Cherish each day of your new found acceptance of a life of freedom. Best to you!

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I need help with this one. What do you think I should do?

by Quarterback in

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my wife is pleasant and easy to get along with.

she is also helpful to many.

lately, however, there is a jw sister who some are curious about has befreinded my wife.

4thgen

On the way out: "cock block"? You made me laugh.

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Why a new "World Headquarters"?

by 4thgen in

i just dont get it.

the gb moved to patterson and are conducting business from there, right?

they are not printing as much literature as they once were and they are still operating walkill for the magazines...er a ....pamphlets.

4thgen

I just don’t get it. The GB moved to Patterson and are conducting business from there, right? They are not printing as much literature as they once were and they are still operating Walkill for the magazines…er a ….pamphlets. Clearly the publisher numbers are decreasing despite their inflated reports and the failure of the trolley witnessing. What justification can they possibly give for building the new “World Headquarters” in Warwick? I am sure they are saying that it is God’s will they expand as a spin for what is really happening, but what is its actual purpose? Are they planning to move up the printing presses for printing books? That seems so ridiculous with everything going digital. Yet, if it was to be a retirement haven, surely they would continue to expand in warmer climates. What is the reason they are giving? And what is the REAL purpose of the compound in Warwick?

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