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  The origins of the Star of Bethlehem - was Satan really behind it?

  by truthseeker in

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  there's an interesting dicsussion going on in channelc about the origins of the star of bethlehem.. "the wt continues to teach that the star was in fact a light from satan, who was seeking to kill the child jesus.

  what i noted from actually reading the account, is that there is no justifiable proof from scripture, that what the wt teaches about that light being from satan, is true.".

  ....... and i have to concur.

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  To answer this question, you first have to understand what a Star actually is.
  
  Is our own star a thermonuclear device isolated from the rest of the Universe, slowly depleting it's fuel, or is it an electrical plasma pinch point as part of a larger electrical circuit that connects all star systems, planets and galaxies? A Sun that consumes electrical plasma to make it bright and hot.
  
  If the Galactic electrical currents fluctuate (as I'm sure they do.... we have an 11 year sun spot cycle already), our own Sun could easily extinguish overnight, become dim, or change colour of even have multiple colours.
  
  Saturn was once known as the second sun to ancient civilizations. It could've been electrical lit as part of a plasma circuit. It's wafer thin discs are still unexplained, although there may be an electrical reason for them.
  
  The world is so much bigger and more complex than the WatchTower would have you believe. I hate their narrow viewpoints, but worst of all because they teach with false authority.
  
  Blaming Satan for strange things in the sky is soooooo dark ages! When will people wake up and start thinking, learning or researching for themselves?
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  How do you make friends once leaving the Borg?

  by unhappy in

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  so i'm starting the fading out now, and i'm avoiding all kh 'friends,' but am finding it a bit lonely, as was raised in org, and was always taught to shun worldly people even at school.

  does anyone have any advice or experiences about how to overcome this?

  how they met and made new friends in the beginning?

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  Hello, Don't be too hard on yourself, that can be a certain kind of hell in itself - which I think you already know! I'm glad to see you've made the decision to make your own choices in life. Well done! This is an excellent step forward... and now to answer your question: "If one would have friends, one must show self friendly! This is not merely as an idiom, or as a saying, but truth! This should not be merely preached at the entity, but practiced with the entity!" UpAndAtom
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  I feel quite sick after reading this

  by Sam87 in

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  myspace is to thank for this great little peice.... .

  warning - do not read any futher if you have a weak stomach.......... .

  a christian wrote a letter to the editor of a newspaper and complained that it made no sense to go to the kingdom hall every sunday.

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  For 30 years his wife has provided him with 3 meals per day - Poor wife!
  He can't remember a single meal that she cooked - for the life of him! Again... poor wife!
  If she didn't serve him, he would be dead today . Dumb wife! ha ha. Or very devoted to a man that does not remember even one meal from 32000... and again, dumb wife!
  He draws a direct comparison between the Kingdom Hall and his wife.... again... poor wife.
  
  As a non-JW, is it normal for JW men to compare their wifes to inanimate objects, buildings or religion?
  
  Are women not appreciated for the beautiful people that they are? I know I apprecaite mine, and I remember many wonderful (and not so wonderful) meals, parties, BBQ's, banquests, feasts and so much more!
  
  He never explicitly said he could remember the talks either (and thus we should not make that assumption on his behalf). In fact, he was very quick to draw the analog that it does not matter if you remember. It's what you do to keep you alive (for the life of him), even if he can't remember either!
  
  I found his response an amazing feast!
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  Does anyone know how or where I can go to interpret a dream?

  by FreedomFrog in

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  last night i had a very disturbing nightmare.

  i don't get nightmares often, but this one was pretty intense and detailed.

  most of my dreams are either ok, confusing, or just a tad disturbing.

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  >> I was walking in my dining room and then I heard something horrible going on.
  
  Something is wrong at ‘your’ home.
  
  >>I walked into the hallway and there I seen my stb-ex (in my dream we were still married and happy) standing there with his head cut off and hanging down by just a piece of skin.
  
  What does your ex’s head represent to you; headship, intelligence? Only you can answer this one, no one can interpret it for you. In any case, he did not lose his head, but you thought it a disaster. There is an imbalance between how you felt, and how he felt.
  
  >> There was blood everywhere in the hallway... well, it gets even gorier so I'll skip to where I walked in the hallway and he was still standing up. He was still alive and walking around as if nothing was happening.
  
  The gore may represent the ugliness, the gross, the disturbing, or just a disaster for which overwhelms you. This is something that YOU felt. He on the other hand felt nothing. (Note: Your dream is not about him – but you)
  
  >> He was even talking to me in my dream as if to calm me down.
  
  He is trying to help you understand the situation – your dream – the message, however you are not seeing it.
  
  >> I called 911 and the medics sewed his head back on. All around his neck they had sewn as if his neck was sewn perfectly with a sewing machine. Everyone around me was acting as if it wasn't something to panic about.
  
  This is such a clear dream. It’s telling you that things are not as bad as you think. Problems are easily solved… even the difficult ones. In fact, when the problem is solved it can look very neat and tidy afterwards… even something to be proud of. Problems for you, may not be problems for others. Perhaps you don’t need to try and save someone else, perhaps it’s not in your best interests to call for help, although if you do, the result will still be good. Despite the enormity that the situation appears, the problem may not actually be as bad as you think.
  
  >> The nightmare was so detailed and real feeling that it's still "messing" with me even 2 days later.
  
  Perhaps you had already missed the point of an earlier dream and needed the message repeated a bit more strongly and/or differently. Don’t concentrate on the gore, but what that gore represents in relation to the dream as a whole. Was the spilling of blood an issue.
  
  >> The nightmare felt like it was all night long. I am scared about having that dream again. I was a bit ill when I woke up from so much gore in it.
  
  If you missed the point of this dream, then you will probably have another dream to help you understand the point. This is what recurring dreams are all about. Once you figure them out, they never come back. Thus, you have an incentive to examine this dream in a more clinical and emotionally detached way. What was the message? Pray on this and ask for an answer. You may just have another dream that helps you understand, but perhaps in a different way next time.
  
  Don’t forget the old saying, Why worry when you can pray?
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  Is manner of dress more important than respect for Jehovah?

  by LaurieM in

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  2. beliefs

  my mother and i were discussing the fact that she was told by a minister of the jehovah's witnesses upon being asked whether mother was going to be attending a book study at her local kingdom hall and mother requested whether she could wear slacks she was told that it would not show respect to jehovah and that women in the kingdom hall should "dress appropriately" by wearing skirts or dresses.

  after discussing this, my mother and i feel that the manner of dress of a jehovah's witnesses, whether man or woman is totally irrelevant to respect to jehovah god.

  clearly, even if one were to present themselves at hall in rags, that person is not disrespectful to jehovah if his mind and heart are open to god's word.

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  Who were the best dressed people in the day of Jesus?
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  What was the announcement????

  by jrjr4189 in

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  a lot of people in the states have their service meeting on tuesday and i'm wondering what was the announcement????

  i couldn't wait to check the board when i got in to work this morning.

  c'mon somebody spill the beans.

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  I joined this forum many years ago just to find out about a 'special announcement'. It took a while, but slowly and surely, it dawned on me what the announcements were ALWAYS about... You can read my views in a previous post of mine... "Why I joined this forum" http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/116839/1.ashx
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  OMG CARPAL TUNNEL

  by mama1119 in

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  i have "pregnancy induced" carpal tunnel and i don;t believe i have ever felt so much pain.

  i used to think people that claimed carpal tunnel were a bunch of wussys, i was wrong.

  it hurts very very badly.

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  Check for possible referred pain due to a knot somewhere else. Wiggle the painful digit and feel your tendon, trace the tendon back along your arm by pressing on it. The tendon should end near your elbow. If it becomes tender in an area you didn’t expect to find tender, massage the knot, preferably with peanut or olive oil.
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  NEW SHOCKING subliminal art

  by artcritic in

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  if you feel we are pushing this to much please let us know and we will stop.. spam link removed.

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  I can think of at least 4 words wrong in the title of this thread!
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  Complete Audio Recordings of 2006 DC Talks

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came upon the following link to a complete set of windows media compatible audio recordings of this summer's district convention talks:.

  http://www.evanjhoush.com/wtb&ts/2006/deliverance.at.hand.district.convention/.

  enjoy!.

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  Anitar: Hmmm... You raise some interesting points I've not heard before. Interesting.
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  Complete Audio Recordings of 2006 DC Talks

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came upon the following link to a complete set of windows media compatible audio recordings of this summer's district convention talks:.

  http://www.evanjhoush.com/wtb&ts/2006/deliverance.at.hand.district.convention/.

  enjoy!.

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  Wow! This is really an eye opener, having never attending a convention. First let me quote the parts I found weird, and then I will make my comments.
  
  The speaker says, "...many teenagers find Jehovah’s laws too heavy... too burdensome... perhaps"
  
  "If your child truly loves Jehovah, his expressions will be similar to this..."
  
  “…let’s look at first John 5:3….”
  
  Reads from Bible, “…we observe his commandments [Jehovah’s]… and yet his commandments are not burdensome.”
  
  “So we observe them joyfully, we appreciate those commandments. So how are our children doing? … Do they appreciate those reminders, those commandments?”
  
  “Well hopefully so, if not, perhaps that’s an area we need to work on.”
  
  …and strangely that’s the end of that subject and onto the next topic where the same theme is expanded in similar fashion.
  
  If an ox is burdened with a heavy yoke, pulling a heavy load, does the ox appreciate the reminder that his load “should not be heavy” because he loves his master? The advice from the WatchTower is ‘If the ox does not appreciate the master, then perhaps that’s an area the ox should work on.’
  
  Or does Jesus draw the analogy that the ox will appreciate the master because the master does not burden the ox with a heavy load?
  
  This simply analogy using simply farming concepts for a simple person is pretty hard to screw up. Is it just me, or have The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc got this all backwards?