The origins of the Star of Bethlehem - was Satan really behind it?

by truthseeker 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    There's an interesting dicsussion going on in ChannelC about the origins of the star of Bethlehem.

    "The WT continues to teach that the ‘star’ was in fact a light from Satan, who was seeking to kill the child Jesus. What I noted from actually reading the account, is that there is no justifiable proof from Scripture, that what the WT teaches about that light being from Satan, is true."

    ......

    And I have to concur. The Bible does not hold Satan responsible for the star. Couldn't it simply have been part of the "birthday celebrations" for Jesus? Don't forget - the angels were singing too.

    I don't think Satan is reponsible for the star, because the astrologers had no intention of allowing Jesus was to be killed, having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod.

    What does the WT say about the star?

    "Now, whether this was an actual light in the sky or simply a vision, we do not know. But we do know that this “star” was not from God. With sinister precision, it leads these pagan worshipers right to Jesus—a child vulnerable and helpless, protected only by a poor carpenter and his wife. The astrologers, Herod’s unwitting dupes, likely would have reported back to the vengeful monarch, leading to the child’s destruction. But God intervenes through a dream and sends them back home by another route. The “star,” then, must have been a device of God’s enemy Satan, who would go to any lengths to harm the Messiah. How ironic that the “star” and astrologers are portrayed in Nativity scenes as emissaries of God!—Matthew 2:9-12."

    The gospel of Matthew says the following:

    Testament of Matthew

    Matthew 2

    1. Then as Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, in the days of King Herod, there came Magi from the East to Jerusalem;
    2. And they said, "Where is the King of the Jews who was born? For we saw his star in the East and we have come to worship him."

    Notice that the astrologers had not yet met King Herod. They took it upon themselves to do "obeisance" to Jesus. The WT uses the word "obeisance" in many instances to replace "worship."

    Testament of Matthew

    Matthew 2

    3. When King Herod heard of this, he was shaken, and all Jerusalem with him.

    4. He gathered all the leaders of the high priests and the scribes of the people and asked them where would the Messiah be born?

    Herod hears about the star, but it doesn't seem as if he heard first person from the astrologers. If the star truly was from Satan, what did it accomplish? Satan could just as easily killed baby Jesus as he did Job's servants and children.

    Testament of Matthew

    Matthew 2

    7. Then, Herod secretly called the Magi, and learned from them in which season the star appeared to them.

    8. And he sent them to Bethlehem, and told them, "Go and investigate thoroughly about the boy, and when you find him, come and show me, so I too may go and worship him."

    9. However, as they heard this from the king, they went away. And, behold, that star that they had seen in the East went before them, until it came just above where the child was.

    10. When they saw the star they were exceedingly overjoyed.

    11. And they entered the house and saw the child with his mother Mary, and they fell down, worshipped him and opened their treasures and offered him gifts, gold and myrrh and frankincense.

    12. And it appeared to them in a dream, that they should not return to Herod, and they went to their country by another way.

    13. Following their departure, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, and told them, "Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and stay there until I tell you, because Herod has prepared to search for the boy to destroy him."

    14. Joseph then rose, took the child and his mother, by night, and fled to Egypt,

    There are some interesting points here - Herod calls the magi after he heard about the star and likely knew about the prophecy of Jesus' birth. What is odd, is the following: Herod wanted to know "in which season the star appeared to them"

    The use of season is rather odd, as it would appear there was a significant delay between the Magi first seeing the star and Herod speaking to them about it. Otherwise, why the use of season?

    "The star that they had seen in the East went before them, until it came just above where the child was." - couldn't Jehovah have been just as much responsible for the star as Satan? Wouldn't it have been difficult to follow a star to an exact place on Earth? Remember, there were no GPS facilities in those days.

    Again, the question comes to mind - if Satan caused the star of Bethlehem to appear, why didn't Jehovah stop it?

    There are some interesting links associated with the Star of Bethlehem...

    http://www.space.com/spacewatch/star_bethlehem_021220.html

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker
    Spacewatch Friday - Star of Bethlehem: Going Back in Time to Examine Its Origins

    By Joe Rao
    Special to SPACE.com
    posted: 07:00 am ET
    20 December 2002

    It seems almost traditional at this time of year for stargazers to ponder the age-old question of the possible origin of the Star of Bethlehem. Was the so-called Christmas Star an unusual, eye-catching gathering of naked-eye planets, or was that fabled "sign in the sky" a meteor, comet, nova, or indeed something supernatural?

    New knowledge of the old astrological beliefs and modern computer-based planetary tables may yet shed new light on this age-old question. But before going back in time to explore the possible answers, one needs to understand the many problems behind the questions.

    There are many factors that contribute to the puzzle, including the uncertainty in the actual date of Christs birth and the terminology used to describe celestial events during the Stars appearance some 20 centuries ago. For instance, any heavenly object bright enough to attract attention was apt to be called a "star." Meteors, for instance, were "shooting" or "falling " stars; comets were "hairy" stars; novae were "new" stars and planets were "wandering" stars.

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    Fixing an elusive date

    The Bible says nothing about the calendar date of the Nativity, but does refer to historical personages and events, such as the reign of King Herod. Modern historical research suggests that Herod may have died sometime between 4 BC and 1 BC by our present calendar. The Magi are said to have visited Herod just before he died, and presumably the birth of Christ and appearance of the Star came sometime before that.

    And it is very doubtful that Jesus was born in late December. For one thing, the Biblical passage in St. Luke, "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night," indicates that spring is the likely season; that was when the shepherds in Judea were tending the newborn lambs.

    In ancient times, Dec. 25 was the date of the lavish Roman festival of Saturnalia. It was a time when gifts were exchanged; homes, streets and buildings were decorated; people came home for the holidays and everybody was in a happy, party mood. It has been said that early Christians chose the date of the Saturnalia in order to avoid attention and thus escape persecution.

    When the Roman emperor Constantine officially adopted Christianity in the 4th century, the date of Christmas remained Dec. 25.

    Christs birth almost certainly did not occur 2,002 years ago. Our present chronology by which the years are numbered as AD or BC was conceived by the Roman abbot Dionysius Exiguus around 523 AD.

    Unfortunately, Dionysius made two significant errors in his calculations. The first was his placement of 1 AD immediately following 1 BC, completely disregarding the mathematically required 0 in between. Back then in Europe, zero was not considered a number. So, for instance, the year we now call 3 BC, is actually 2 numerically speaking.

    Second, Dionysius accepted the statement of Clement of Alexandria that Jesus was born in the 28th year of the reign of the Roman emperor Caesar Augustus. But Dionysius failed to realize that during the first four years of his reign this Roman ruler was known by his original name Octavianus, until the Roman senate proclaimed him "Augustus." So here alone we have an error of four years, but by the time it was realized our chronology was too well entrenched to be changed.

    As for the time for the appearance of the Star, most astronomers and Biblical scholars believe that it most likely occurred sometime between the years 7 and 2 BC. So this is the time frame that we need to explore to determine if there was anything unusual in the sky that might have caught the attention of the Magi.

    What was it?

    At least four theories have been advanced to explain the Star from a purely astronomical viewpoint.

    Possibly the first idea put forward was that it was an unusually bright fireball meteor seen streaking toward the horizon. But as most skywatchers know, such an object can be seen to flash across the sky in a mere matter of seconds hardly long enough to lead the Magi halfway across the Orient to the little town of Bethlehem. So we can confidently lay this concept to rest.

    Not so easily dismissed, however, is the possibility that the Star was a bright comet.

    Comets can remain visible to the unaided eye for weeks either in the predawn sky or at dusk. It is not impossible to conceive that a comet with a bright star-like head and long gossamer tail pointing like some cosmic finger toward the horizon could have drawn the Magi to Bethlehem.

    The famous Halleys Comet, last seen in early 1986, also flared in the sky during August and September in the year 11 BC. However, most authorities dismiss it due to the poor time fit. Although it seems unlikely that another great comet could have appeared nearer to the accepted time frame of the Stars appearance and went unrecorded, we can never really be sure.

    Besides, comets were viewed as omens of evil, such as floods and famine as well as the death not the birth of kings and monarchs. The Romans, in marking the death of the Roman General Agrippa, for example, used the 11 BC apparition of Halleys Comet as a benchmark. With this in mind, comets would seem to be wrong as the heavenly sign that would signal the coming of a newborn king.

    Exploding star

    Perhaps the simplest answer is a nova or supernova outburst: a new star blazes forth where none had ever been seen and leaves no trace for us to find in the future.

    Although their names imply a new creation, these spectacular objects are in reality dying stars, although they are new (albeit temporary) additions to the nighttime sky. The appearance of a nova is unpredictable a really bright one becomes visible perhaps once every 25 or 30 years.

    Going on this assumption, we actually should be due for a bright naked-eye nova at almost anytime now, since the most recent one appeared back in 1975 (not far from the bright star Deneb in the constellation Cygnus).

    Most bright novae suddenly and unexpectedly flare into prominence literally overnight, attracting the instant attention of sky-conscious people. But after several days or weeks of such prominence, it gradually fades back to obscurity.

    Even more spectacular but much rarer are supernovae; stars that suddenly blow themselves completely apart, briefly producing an incredible energy output equivalent to the combined light of an entire galaxy of stars.

    At the height of its outburst, a supernova can shine with a brilliance capable of casting shadows and can even be seen in broad daylight truly a celestial announcement worthy of the birth of a king.

    In our Milky Way galaxy, over the past thousand years, there have been four brilliant supernovae, in 1006, 1054, 1572 and 1604. Clearly, we are long overdue for another, though the stars don't necessarily play by any odds we might calculate.

    Although a nova or supernova is the most satisfying explanation for the Star, there is a serious problem with it, in that there doesnt seem to be any definitive record of a bright nova appearing in the sky during the time that biblical historians believe the Magi made their journey.

    One nova apparently did appear, bordering the constellations Capricornus and Aquarius during the spring of 5 BC. But the Chinese records, which describe this object, imply that it was apparently not very conspicuous at all.

    Perhaps a planet

    The final possibility is one or more of the bright naked eye planets.

    The likelihood that the Magi could have confused one or more of the familiar planets with a star seems remote. However, sometimes two or more of these restless wanderers come together in a striking conjunction. Perhaps a planetary grouping of particular beauty; an exceptionally close conjunction of two planets or groupings of three or more creating an eye-catching geometric figure in the sky may have taken place between the years 7 and 2 BC.

    A gathering like that would be quite unusual to the unexpecting eye.

    One such event that is often cited occurred on the evening of Feb. 25, 6 BC involving Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, and happened in the constellation of Pisces, the Fishes. If you have ever visited a planetarium for the traditional Christmas show, you probably already know the thrill of watching as the planetarium projector races back through time to recreate this unusual event.

    Another possible explanation for the Star of Bethlehem is the three-times passing of Jupiter and Saturn between May and December in 7 BC; a rare triple or "great conjunction."

    Jupiter appeared to pass one degree north of Saturn on May 29; practically the same on Sept. 30; then finally a third time on Dec. 5.

    There is no doubt about the visibility of these events, mostly opposite to the Sun in nighttime skies. As for their astrological impact, the Magi would have certainly noticed that both planets did not appear to separate widely between their conjunctions. In fact, for eight consecutive months the time it might have taken to travel the 500 miles or more from Babylonia to Judea Jupiter and Saturn remained within three degrees of each other, from late April of 7 BC until early January of 6 BC.

    A fist held on an outstretched arm covers about 10 degrees of sky.

    But perhaps no other planetary grouping can equal that of the two brightest planets Venus and Jupiter for the explanation that we seek. And if we take the only known account of the Star literally, as given in St. Matthew, then what we really need is the appearance of not just one, but two "stars." The first appearance would have been seen well in advance of the Magis arrival in Bethlehem, and the other at the end of their long journey.

    Perhaps the signal for their star was to be a sign in the constellation of Leo, the Lion.

    To the early Israelites, Leo was a constellation of great astrological significance and considered a sacred part of the sky. A very close conjunction of Venus and Jupiter would have been visible in the eastern dawn sky of the Middle East from about 3:45 to 5:20 a.m. on Aug. 12, 3 BC.

    When they first emerged above the eastern horizon, the two planets were separated by only about two-fifths of the Moons apparent diameter or 12 minutes of arc. As a comparison, the separation of the stars Mizar and Alcor in the handle of the Big Dipper is also 12 minutes. Planets this close are very striking, if they don't differ too much in brightness.

    Incidentally, St. Matthew wrote that the Magi stated in their meeting with King Herod: "We have seen his Star in the East and have come to worship him." It has never been clear if they saw the star in the eastern sky, or if they saw it from the East. The fact that the Aug. 12, 3 BC conjunction of Venus and Jupiter occurred in the eastern sky and may have also started the Magi on the journey (from the East) to Bethlehem means that both bases are covered with their statement -- reported by St. Matthew -- to King Herod.

    Venus ultimately vanished into the glare of the Sun, but Jupiter and Leo remained in the night sky during the next ten months. During this time a number of additional planetary conjunctions took place, all of which would have been of great importance to the priest-astrologers of the time.

    Encore

    Then, during June of 2 BC, as Jupiter and the stars of Leo began to sink into the western evening twilight, Venus again returned to this same region of the sky for an even more spectacular encore.

    The Magi certainly would have especially taken note that on the evening of June 17, when Jupiter and Venus appeared even closer together than they did in the dawn skies of the previous August. As the planets slowly descended toward the horizon they got closer and closer together.

    Finally, at 8:30 p.m. local time they drew to within a mere 0.6 of an arc minute of each other while appearing to hover some 15 above the western horizon. To the Magi the two brightest planets must have appeared to coalesce into one and glowed before them like a dazzling beacon over Judea. Eyeglasses were many centuries in the future, so only people with perfect eyes would have seen the planets separated.

    See for yourself

    Astronomy can tell us that all these planetary conjunctions indeed occurred. In fact, users of the software package Starry Night Pro can go back in time and view all these planet configurations for themselves on their home computers and try to judge which of these might have appeared the most impressive to the Magi.

    But whether anyone actually observed them, and if any of these sent the Magi on their historic journey, are all matters for conjecture.

    And finally, was the Star of Bethlehem truly a miracle star? Indeed, a star of stars appearing just once in the history of man? Reaching a conclusion on this subject is not easy, for any natural theory for the Star of Bethlehem can only be at best, just an educated guess.

    Perhaps this is a mystery that modern science can never truly unravel. Astronomy has taken us as far as it can go.

    The final decision is yours, alone.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Truthseeker - Your post is longer than my time allows - for now. But I did find the Watchtower reasoning specious.

    "Now, whether this was an actual light in the sky or simply a vision, we do not know. But we do know that this “star” was not from God. With sinister precision, it leads these pagan worshipers right to Jesus—a child vulnerable and helpless, protected only by a poor carpenter and his wife. The astrologers, Herod’s unwitting dupes, likely would have reported back to the vengeful monarch, leading to the child’s destruction. But God intervenes through a dream and sends them back home by another route. The “star,” then, must have been a device of God’s enemy Satan, who would go to any lengths to harm the Messiah. How ironic that the “star” and astrologers are portrayed in Nativity scenes as emissaries of God!—Matthew 2:9-12."

    The loaded language is thick in this quote. Why must it be assumed that Satan would use such means to do this? Could Satan have not just informed Herod in some other way that the Christ had been born - afterall they couldn't even find him without direction once they got to Jerusalem.

    I believe the entire demonizing of the matter is done to continue control over the R&F. If they are convinced it was demonic, they will avoid any further investigation and just continue to swallow the WTS's position.

    Jeff

  • heathen
    heathen

    I think it was an apparition of some kind. I think the WTBTS was right on that the magi didn't arrive until jesus was actually out of the manger and didn't see him in the manger because the word translated is house, not manger. This was not a test of integrity as with JOB, this was Gods plan to redeem mankind , later on tho satan put jesus thru many tests .If we look at Luke we see that the shepherds in the field are given specific instructions where to find baby jesus so really no point in concluding this star was a means of directing people to jesus since it did in fact lead them straight to jesus first enemy , king herod.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Another season's thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/125612/1.ashx

    Btw, "season" in 2:7 is only khronos -- time. KJV English can be misleading.

  • becca1
    becca1

    I've wondered about this in the past. The Bible account does not give the origin of the star and does not vilify the Magi. So, the WT's interpretation is purely conjecture.

  • Apostate Kate
    Apostate Kate

    The Watchtower has had to focus on demeaning the diety of Jesus Christ, that way they can take His place.

    Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

    "Obesiance" is just another way to hide His diety.

    These people traveled so far to curtsy to a baby......stupid

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    There is a discussion about the star on beliefnet that is driving the Watchtower trolls crazy.

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Hi everyone,

    It is quite interesting to just read the actual account with your JW blinders finally off! I firmly believe now, that Jehovah used the star in order to lead the Magi to Jesus so that he could not only be honored or worshipped, but also so that Joseph and Mary would have the money they would need to flee to Egypt.

    Otherwise, if Saten was behind the whole thing why didn't the Magi return to Herod to tell him where the Messiah was? Why did they listen to the warning in the dream to flee if they were evil or if they had evil intentions?. Also, if Jehovah did not want the star to lead them to Jesus, why did he not stop it. Or better yet, why didn't he have Joseph and Mary flee BEFORE they reached him? Rather, he waited until they arrived, honored him, and brought expensive gifts and gold??

    Seems pretty obvious. Once the Magi arrived, Joseph and Mary had what was needed to stay in Egypt for as long as they did. One other thing that I thought was pretty interesting when researching this subject, was that Daniel fortold the prophecy about the Messiah being born.

    See it here in Daniel 9: 25-26 (NWT):

    25

    And you should know and have the insight [that] from the going forth of [the] word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·si´ah [the] Leader, there will be seven weeks, also sixty-two weeks. She will return and be actually rebuilt, with a public square and moat, but in the straits of the times.

    26

    "And after the sixty-two weeks Mes·si´ah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.

    "And the city and the holy place the people of a leader that is coming will bring to their ruin. And the end of it will be by the flood. And until [the] end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations.

    He recorded this, and no doubt the Magi or wise men under him, learned of this prophecy because of him. And does anyone else find it really weird that Daniel was the cheif administrater over all the wise men of Babylon? Why did he reject eating the delicacys of the King when brought to Babylon, but to only later accept this position.

    Heres what Daniel 2:47-49 says(NWT):

    47

    The king was answering Daniel and saying: "Truly the God of YOU men is a God of gods and a Lord of kings and a Revealer of secrets, because you were able to reveal this secret." 48 Consequently the king made Daniel someone great, and many big gifts he gave to him, and he made him the ruler over all the jurisdictional district of Babylon and the chief prefect over all the wise men of Babylon. 49 And Daniel, for his part, made a request of the king, and he appointed over the administration of the jurisdictional district of Babylon Sha´drach, Me´shach and A·bed´ne·go, but Daniel was in the court of the king.

    So.. could it be that these three wise men..or Magi, had learned not from the study of the stars, but from Daniels prophecy, that the Messiah was coming soon? Afterall, the star did not predict the Messiah's birth, but lead them to the Messiah that they ALREADY KNEW was born. So could it be that while the Jews were in captivity, the Babylonian wise men learned of this Messianic prophecy and were in expectation of it?

    These wise men or Magi must have believed in the Messiah, or they would not have traveled such a long way, nor would they have brought gifts that would symbol Kingship and Divine Authority to a mere baby they didn't believe was King.

    Anyway, I just thought I would share with you these thoughts, as I thought they definatley made sence!

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • UpAndAtom
    UpAndAtom

    To answer this question, you first have to understand what a Star actually is.

    Is our own star a thermonuclear device isolated from the rest of the Universe, slowly depleting it's fuel, or is it an electrical plasma pinch point as part of a larger electrical circuit that connects all star systems, planets and galaxies? A Sun that consumes electrical plasma to make it bright and hot.

    If the Galactic electrical currents fluctuate (as I'm sure they do.... we have an 11 year sun spot cycle already), our own Sun could easily extinguish overnight, become dim, or change colour of even have multiple colours.

    Saturn was once known as the second sun to ancient civilizations. It could've been electrical lit as part of a plasma circuit. It's wafer thin discs are still unexplained, although there may be an electrical reason for them.

    The world is so much bigger and more complex than the WatchTower would have you believe. I hate their narrow viewpoints, but worst of all because they teach with false authority.

    Blaming Satan for strange things in the sky is soooooo dark ages! When will people wake up and start thinking, learning or researching for themselves?

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