Seeking suggestions on reaching my wife ...

by wannabefree 42 Replies latest members private

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    I have read the prescribed books by Steve Hassan ...

    I recently had a discussion with my wife about Ray's "Crisis of Conscience".

    She knows where I stand as far as "The Truth" goes, but still holds out hope that I will come to my senses.

    My biggest fear at the moment is for my teenage daughter who is not yet baptized but is at an age and time when a change could have a great influence on her future. She wanted to get baptized at the convention last year, but when she was talking about it was around the time I started waking up so the deed was avoided.

    I mention this so you understand somewhat my urgency.

    A couple of weeks ago I spoke with my wife about "Crisis of Conscience", I told her that I wanted her to have any opportunity to read the book herself. I knew she wouldn't want to, so I suggested it as an opportunity for her to read it before I had my daughter read it. I told her how I wish I had it available to me to read before I was baptized and that it would be wrong for me not to allow my daughter the opportunity to read it. I presented it as an opportunity for my wife to read it first, not to try and change her, but to give her the opportunity to understand it first so when I presented to to my daughter she could have the opportunity to present her informed side to refute it.

    Well, our discussion was fairly civilized, but she most certainly doesn't like the idea, and she hasn't turned me in yet.

    Today, I shared with her some information from "The Finished Mystery" ... I had left some printed pages with hilighted parts lying around, she looked at some of it ... since it isn't technically from apostates, she allowed me to discuss some of it with her. Particularly the Adventist ties to Russell, the description of the locomotive with its steam engine as fulfillment of Bible prophecy, all of the reasons scripturally and in prophetic fulfillment at the time PROVED 1918 would be the fulfillment of what they mistakenly thought would would happen in 1915.

    We got a good laugh about it. She agreed they had some crazy ideas, but that we always knew they thought some crazy things but that God still uses the organization. She believes that even though they were wrong, it was their desire to understand, their willingness to change, that showed them to be like moist clay willing to be shaped by the potter.

    If it was just my wife, I could be much more patient about this, I could go to the meetings and play the game, but I feel for the sake of my daughter, I must move this along more quickly.

    Any thoughts ... suggestions? Thanks.

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    You're the dad and husband, and as such, you're the spiritual head and able to pull rank.

    Educate your daughter before she does something she'll regret later.

  • SEL
    SEL

    Perhaps you could read it aloud to your wife.

    My JW friend recently said that he can't read Crisis because it's apostate literature, but he can't help it if I read it to him. I don't get that logic either, but maybe that method will work if you just want to get some of that info to your wife.

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    I have failed to reach my wife and daughter. They are still surrounded by the JW 'forcefield' that won't get them to wake up from the delusion. I'm the worst person to offer advice.

    My status is 'menatlly diseased apostate' at home and the Mrs thinks SHE's now 'spiritual head'!

    They both shut me down and shout at me if I mention anything that may sound against the organization so I suffer in silence.

    They don't talk to me about so called 'spiritual things' and I don't tell them the truth abot the cancerous cult they're in.

    I hope you have more success penetrating the 'ignorance forcefield' the FD$ control their mind with.

    Good luck WBF!

  • jean-luc picard
    jean-luc picard

    Hi WBF.

    Maybe you need to start with WHY your wife is a JW. What attracts her.

    The "love" (LOL)

    The hope of living in paradise

    The "fact" that the end is very near.

    Because she WANTS to serve God ( funny there, I dont like using their name for him).

    Once you know that, you can be more selective about what material to use.

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    @ Broken Promises - yes, I did bring up the headship issue with my wife, I haven't done it in a domineering or threatenting way, just that it is my responsiblity to be the spiritual head and to just ignore this issue wouldn't be taking the lead, whether she agreed with what I believed or not.

    I have more than one child, others are baptized, one is married and pioneering, a goal I held out to her from childhood, she knows something is up with me and has distanced herself somewhat. What a tangled web this is.

    @ SEL - I thought about this approach too, I haven't suggested it to her yet, but I am thinking about it

    @ punkofnice - I feel for you bro, my wife has been taking the lead too with meeting preparation and getting the kids out in service, she hasn't gotten to the point of viewing me as the mentally diseased apostate yet, once that happens I think the door would be closed like it is for you. I am trying to take responsibilty but avoid tipping the boat which I think will be inevitable.

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    @ jean-luc - she is born-in, I was a convert - she has no frame of reference other than it is the truth, I at least have an authentic self that had a fairly average and good upbringing that I have finally been able to get back in touch with to bring a little balance back to my thinking.

    What attracts her is that it is the truth, case closed. Paradise earth, yes she wants that, who wouldn't, love isn't an issue for her, she admits that there seems to be a lack of it at a personal level, but not organizationally (JW's don't go to war, united brotherhood earthwide, preaching ...)

    Good point though to try and identify a specific issue that might be the weak point, after all, that is what finally allowed my fantasy to unravel.

  • pirata
    pirata

    There are some good comments on this subject in my thread here (I started the thread, but many of the follow-up comments were very good.)

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/205012/1/ExJWs-and-NonJWs-Ask-Should-I-Try-to-Change-My-Mate

  • garyneal
    garyneal
    We got a good laugh about it. She agreed they had some crazy ideas, but that we always knew they thought some crazy things but that God still uses the organization. She believes that even though they were wrong, it was their desire to understand, their willingness to change, that showed them to be like moist clay willing to be shaped by the potter.

    Yeah, my wife thinks that way too. That is why, in her mind, Charles Russell can be considered a brother still even though he went to his grave believing in his crazy ideas. Orthodoxy be damned, just so long as you are trying to find the truth.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Please keep this mind: When she thinks of your lack of faith in WT, in her mind, she ASSUMES the worst. She assumes that your faithfulness to her is in question. (This is a programmed response.)

    Therefore, if you'd like to stay with her, Love & Patience are the only tools at your disposal. NEVER discuss doctrine.

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