Seeking suggestions on reaching my wife ...

by wannabefree 42 Replies latest members private

  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon

    Oh, in the long run. What worked for me was building a life outside the religion. So long as you're the apostate home troll, her whole social framework is going to be witnesses. Form some friendships at work, invite couples over for dinner. Attend company picnics or social functions and if she won't go, then go alone.

    So long as witnesses are a closed society, it's easy to label the outside world as filthy sinners. Meeting actual humans that are just like witnesses, but not witnesses could create a crack.

    I didn't pressure my wife, but I remember the first company christmas party we went to. She felt horrible going but later confided that she didn't want any women at my work getting any ideas that I might be "available".

    Even if she doesn't ever come around, it will be healthy for you and your daughter to see "the world" without the WT taint.

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    @ ABibleStudent - thanks, good suggestions

    @ moshe - I appreciate your input, replying embarrases me - I some ways have been a "good" extreme Witness, home schooling, not allowing worldly friends, doing all things the organizational way most of the time in the past

    I actually have two teenage daughters at home, one will be a senior next year, she is baptized, which of course brings in a whole different set of problems, but I got her to return to school for some of her classes this year, that and her job have helped her tremendously to see another side to "worldly" people, it has been very good for her, she wants to go to college although is discouraged by some elders and her pioneer sister.

    She also wants to date, however, she wants to date a Witness boy, of course this would be a no-no in the congregation for a girl who is loved by all, and I am torn because I would like to let her experience this normal act of dating, on the other hand, I sure don't want to promote a relationship with a young man who is governed by organizational policies and might only complicate my web even further.

    I have already been actively involved in some of the suggestions given. I have been trying to talk a lot to my youngest daughter about her dreams. She is such a wonderful girl. She told me she wants to be an astronaut, she said, "I know it may seem childish, but it is one of the things I would like to do." I have been encouraging her a lot and insisting that it isn't a silly thing. This took me to a conversation with her that astronauts are usually people who were in the air force, she asked if she would have to kill people if she were in the air force .... she also has told me how she would like to marry a Marine :) .... of course I haven't shot these things down or tried to correct her like I would have a couple years ago, I feel so good when she answers from her heart ... sad really, I was so proud of my other children for towing the organizational line and giving the "spiritual" answers, now I am sick that I did that to them and the opposite makes me happy, that my child will think for herself. Of course, this is also what bothers my wife.

    @ Scully - thank you, good advice

    @ Paralipomenon - Why did my wife get baptized? Interesting question. Although she was raised a Witness, we started dating in high school, I started studying and got baptized before she did. She delayed her baptism for a number of years after that, mostly because she never felt good enough, she felt that she was too bad because of the double life as a youth and not worthy, she was well liked so most just assumed that she was already baptized. Feeling good enough to get baptized was a very big step for her.

  • stuckinamovement
    stuckinamovement

    wannabefree,

    Best wishes to you man. This is a thread that explains how I have reached my wife. I still have a way to go before we are both out though. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/206294/1/Progress-I-think-in-helping-my-wife-to-see-the-truth

    SIAM

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    @ SIAM - thanks for the link and your encouragement - I remember reading your post with great interest, it made me hopeful as I could see many similarities - it has been an influence on how I have proceeded in some ways

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    She knows where I stand as far as "The Truth" goes, but still holds out hope that I will come to my senses.

    This is the biggest obstacle you have.

    If you could have held out longer and slipped stuff into Family Worship Night slowly but surely, you may have had a chance. Once they've labeled you as apostate, you've got an even bigger uphill climb.

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    Did you try to reason with her that if 607BC is false then they were never chosen in 1919 and thus anything coming from them has no heavenly authority? This worked with my wife, she read COC but it was Gentile Times Reconsidered that freed her from the slavery. Knowing that they weren't chosen nor are guided by God solves the issue how come there were so many crazy doctrines in the past and why wts teaches stupid things today.

  • yknot
    yknot

    Work on when that 'change' occurred......(think timeline of intepretational change from Russell to Rutherford to Knorr)

    Then work on how that 'change' occurred according to the WTS.....

    For instance 1914 as the parousia..... that didn't happen until 1943!

    Remember in the 30s Rutherford removed holy spirit (and retrodated removal to 1918) as the guiding director of the WTS and replaced it with Angels communicating things from God to Remnant from 1919 onward. (1932 Preservation pg 193-194)

    Consider using Gal 1:6-9 by asking what is the 'good news' according to the Apostles in verses 6,7 then ask her what our 'good news' of the kingdom is (if she doesn't say 1914 enthronment....flick on WTCD and go to May 1, 1981, pg 17, para 3 to show her that is in fact our good news or 'truth')... let her think on the 'difference' and then proceed to verse 8 .....ask her if holy spirit wasn't guiding the WTS from 1918-onward until Knorr's administration who was leading the Remnant? (Answer Angels, also 1932 Preservation pg 51)

    End with ..... gee honey so many changes in the past almost guarantees them in the future, lets discern what is best for our family first (using bible if applicable) .

    __________

    On dating a JW boy......just remember 63% of born/raised JWs leave the 'Truth' as in identifying themselves as 'no longer'.........boy has potential...... even if that potential is to drive home how ridiculous the no-higher education stance has become! How is he going to provide, what sort of life will they have etc.....

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    @ Mad Sweeney - I know, I know ... it was so hard, now my motives are always questioned, my words are under suspicion

    @ diamondiiz - yep, tried that one

    @ Yknot - You've been here for me since the beginning ... did I ever tell you that I love you? join the crowd hey?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    For your daughter, wannabefree,

    http://www.eturbonews.com/12628/commercial-travel-outer-space-reality-2012

    Getting in to space is the toughest recruiting exercise out there...because space missions are few, and the adventurers who would want to go there are many. Space tourism will change the recruiting dynamic. Chances are, qualifications will drop. There may even be astronaut schools as an addition to regular flight training.

    Flight camps for teens:

    http://www.flightcamp.com.au/home

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    I thought my wife would never come around but out of nowhere she began to read COC and GTR and she was done with wts within weeks. If the person is not willing to do their own investigation into their faith, there really is nothing you can do about it. You can make points that may make herwant to do research into what you said or at least think about what you said but really that's all the power you have. Until she's ready to put away the wts superstition and do her own research I think you're stuck with her being a wts follower. It might be easier for your daughter to reason and research things. I wish you all the best and hope your whole family escapes the cult.

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