did this ever happen to you? (page 7)

tyrone

hmmm.... those are very strong words daystar. And whats sad is that i can realy relate to everything that you say. I can relate to the mistreatment, the hurt feelings, the uncompassion that you have talked about, but do u know what it is that sustains me.. it is MY FAITH. Why do u think that Jehovah is going to clean and judge his very own houshold first before he judges the rest of the world? It it because of this very same reason Daystar, because jesus chirst knows that some of his sheep have become scattered by cruel and harsh treatment. "WOE TO THE SHEPARDS WHO ARE DESTROYING THE SHEEP OF MY PASTURAGE! IS THE UTTERANCE OF JEHOVAH. (JERIMAIH 23:1) But when you turn away from Jehovah and adopt APOSTATE ATTITUDES the scriputre says that it would be better if that one have never came to know the truth. Daystar.... where else are we to go?? surely not to the whore of the world. That is the very reason why i say, My FAITH sustains me. My loyalty is not to the WTBS but it is to my GOD AND FATHER. and i try to the best of my ability to hold on to what i have untill he arrives.

GetBusyLiving

:Man, how harsh!

Sometimes you Dubs need a verbal boot-to-the-crotch to snap you into reality. Anyone that has the audacity to come on a website full of strangers and call them "dogs returning to their vomit" deserves some harshness. And you, you've been on this site for months defd, and you still defend that garbage organization. The same applies to you. I think you as a person are probably a decent guy but reality is overdue, man.

GBL

defd

thats cool, but man there are other ways of saying things without using such harsh words thats all I am saying.

coolhandluke

how are you in the slightest immitating our LORD?? You sound like christiandom, you can do whatever you want, but your saved as long as you go to church on sunday. You say that you have a good heart condition but you constantly sneer your nose at Jehovah's table and pick and choose what you will eat, you critisize his organization and encourage otheres to do the same with your APOSTACY and you say that you have a good heart condition??? Please explain. Yes you will be granted a swift death but weather it will be a decent burial is highly unlikely

Firstly, I'd like you to know that I defended (now regretfully) you on another thread to someone I respect who I thought disrespected you. With that said, I have fought myself on whether to reply to your comments. Perhaps as at the first of my comments, my words will go well over your head. I'll try to keep my words monosyllabic and perhaps I'll spell phonetically.

My imitation of our LORD is actually between him and me. But I'll share. I read my bible everyday. I talk to his father, everyday. I try to live my life by the course he set out. I live as much like a Christian now as I did when I attended my five weekly meetings. Funny I imagine that your branding of an apostate to me, even though you don't know me is actually in imitation of Jesus. Let me help you:

a·pos adj.

a disloyal person who betrays or deserts his cause or religion or political party or friend etc

Did Jesus not turn his back on Judaism? Hm. I am an apostate? So be it. I think. I do not simply accept what I am told. Did Paul not encourage us to be like the Boreans who did this? What would they have done if they'd found something that wasn't correct? Would they have continued on course, or would they have probed further do find out why?

How do I sound like "christiandom"/Christendom? I am not trying to save myself from anything. If death is what my God wants from me, he can have my life any time he chooses. My only goal in life is truth. I search for truth wherever (including this website) I can find it. Picking and choosing things to eat is a way that animals stay alive. Do you know that you cannot get a cat to eat anything sour or rotten? I do not ingest spiritual food that is sour or rotten. Can you imagine the infection? What if I shared this with my children and other family members? Would I not be responsible for their unavoidable illness to come?

you critisize his organization and encourage otheres to do the same with your APOSTACY and you say that you have a good heart condition

I know you aren't yet baptized but you must know from your studies that your Lord is the reader of hearts. Who are you to say what color or weight mine is. Prove to me from the bible that this is God's organization. Then we will have a basis to discern whether I've criticized it. I encourage no man to do anything, save to think. I am here for me.

Yes you will be granted a swift death but weather it will be a decent burial is highly unlikely

I shudder to think of my response to you if you had the courage that in person you'd lack if you spoke to me this way. I cannot promise that I'd be able to restrain my physical and verbal response to you. When I first read this, I laughed until I cried. Funny stuff. That you know my future so well reminds me of one of those color personality tests that never tell you anything about yourself except for the occasional vague rhetoric. Again, you judge me. Again, you judge me without basis nor reason. I welcome death if God wills it. I welcome life if tomorrow I am granted it. Decent burial unlikely. Who are you to decide that? Read your words and ask yourself if you sound more like Jesus or more like Satan. Would "our" Lord say these things to me?

CHL (of the I'll hold my tongue class) edited to say that I regret defending those that have no defense. There is a defense for ignorance. There is no defense for stupidity or undkiness or judgemental behavior

Soledad

My loyalty is not to the WTBS but it is to my GOD AND FATHER

It's very good that you think this way. However, sooner or later you will find yourself at a crossroads. The WTS demands loyalty from it's adherents, no matter what and even if it is in direct contrast to what the bible says. I wish you the very best on your journey, and don't ever stop listening to your gut.

AuldSoul

How about "ravenous dogs that have returned to their vomit" and "sow that has returned to rolling in the mire?" Are those gentle enough, defd? That's what I was called by Tyrone. Tyrone seems to think that drawing public attention to or expressing indignance regarding the shortcomings of Jehovah's Witnesses is apostasy.

According to the Gospels, Jesus was an apostate. He encouraged others to apostatize themselves and he sought out apostates to ask them to follow him. I feel as though I am in excellent company.

When someone comes in here to a Web site that is owned and operated by what the WTS calls an "apostate," and starts to accuse those posting here of being apostates and then misapplies Scripture to them that is full of denigrations and refuses to enter into reasoned discourse on any subject, should we not consider that the frothing of a deranged person?

"Derange" is defined: To upset the normal condition or functioning of.

Hopefully, the intermittent nature of "lunacy" credited the poster periods of lucidity. I have seen little to indicate that so far, but I haven't ruled it out.

AuldSoul

Scully

there are other ways of saying thins without using such harsh words

Didn't Jesus speak his mind harshly when dealing with the Pharisees?

Didn't he call them "Hypocrites" and "offspring of vipers" and "like whitewashed graves full of dead men's bones"?

Shouldn't his followers speak as freely and forthrightly as he did? And if someone chooses not to be one of his followers, does that mean they cannot speak freely and forthrightly themselves?

"With the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you." - Matthew 7:2

In other words, if you speak harshly and judgementally to someone, it's likely they will do the same to you.

tyrone

Getbusyliving

no i have not been on this site for months and no i have not been disfellowshiped. as a matter of fact im not even baptised yet. i come not on this site to entertain you but for the love that i have for my brothers and sisters who have not completely gone astray (as you obviously have) in some hopes that i may help to rekindle the love that they had for Jehovah. You know if you want to accept this wicked system as all there is to life thats fine with me, as a matter of fact that is your DIVINE RIGHT to do so, but please dont interfear with those who may have some hope of rekindling there relationship with Jehovah

jgnat

Tyrone/Tyrone's Brother/Tyrone's Sister/

I am personally offended that you paint the board members here with such a broad brush. I was never a JW, so I cannot be apostate. I've never abandoned my beliefs. How can you judge my attitudes if you have never discussed anything with me?

defd

tyrone dont go there, trust me.

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