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by telltruth 51 Replies latest jw friends

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I beg to disagree, Cygnus.

    I don't think there's nearly the same ostracism there was 30 years ago for being "unevenly yoked."

    I and my husband are living that ostracism right now. It matters more who you are. A sweet young thing in our hall, a second-generation witness, started out studying while living with an "unbeliever". She's since gotten married and baptized. The difference is she has contacts, a familiar past, and she could be marked down as a study and a baptism by her study leader. Besides, she's cute as a button and she'll look good on stage.

    My hubby showed up with no credentials, no contacts, no advocate, baptized already, but vaguely away from the "truth" for a decade. The elders had no time for him from the first. They gave him a long list of "unequally yoked" scriptures, and told him he was risking death by marrying me. When he told the elders he had prayed long and hard about the decision (which is very true, he agonized over his choice) and decided he would marry me and leave his fate in Jehovah's loving hands, the elders said, "What makes you think Jehovah hears your prayers?"

  • telltruth
    telltruth

    thank you all so much for your words. as i am on a public terminal and learning to navigate the site please know each and every one of your responses are appreciated. i will shortly have permanant connection, and will respond to all of you. thank you so much, this is amazing! i know i am in the right place and am feeling a sense of relief at the moment. it is very hard to feel alone in this , and i no longer do thanks to all of you.

    please offer anything you feel relevant as i have an enormous capacity for sound information. once again thank you ALL so much!

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Telltruth -

    Read all the posts on here you can that relate to relationships - jgnat and cordelia are in relationships that may help some - there have been many. Many, many posters have lost relationships over this religion. Oil and water do not mix well.

    A few more details would help I suppose - age, backgrounds, ect.

    The basic advise would be to run for the hills - but I know love does not always cooperate with common sense. Many here will have plenty to help you with -

    Hope all goes well and welcome to the forum.

    Jeff

  • Cygnus
    Cygnus

    I'm sorry to hear that, jgnat. Nearly 20 years ago the Watchtower used this example:

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    w87 10/15 p. 29 Opening the Way to Increase in Gibraltar ***

    In one case a young Witness, ignoring the counsel from the Author of marriage, started dating a local girl who was not a member of the congregation. But the patient help of the elders in the congregation made him think more seriously about the dangers involved. Finally, he approached his girlfriend and told her that although he felt strong affection for her, his Bible knowledge obligated him to terminate their relationship. ‘I want to marry a girl with whom I can live forever, not just for a few years,’ he explained.

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    But today in practical living, unbelieving mates who aren't drunks, abusers, or lazy bums seem to at least be all right around these parts.

  • telltruth
    telltruth

    thank you all for your posts. any and all pertinant, sound information is appreciated. i realize this is going to be a long road, but i am beginning to walk it already. i hope that what i already have begun to feel is correct, that there will be plenty of friends to help along the way. you have all made me feel welcome and i can't express at the moment just how much that means.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    OK, it looks like we have a long hauler. Get Steven Hassan's second book, Releasing the Bonds. http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/books/ before you ever confront your girlfriend. Keep in touch. I like to keep track, and celebrate in a couple years if you do manage to be successful.

    It is easy to make early mistakes, like getting severely critical of the Organization. If you do that, you may permanently lose her trust. So take it slow, take it kind, ask lots of questions, always as an interested person. If you keep an even, gentle tone of voice, she will be disarmed. This is how JW's talk to each other, and they think it's "spiritual".

    Before you marry, make sure you are on the same page regarding raising the children. Talk about what you will do if one of you need an emergency blood transfusion. There are non-JW partners here who have lost infants due to the blood policy, so think about this very seriously. And, finally, how will your children be raised? I really wouldn't expect a straight answer from a JW on this one. They usually promise this to be fair and even, but in practice, well, the Kingdom Hall is the only place that can guarantee their children's "survival", so you can guess where you will fit in the plans for spiritual training.

  • Smiles_Smiles
    Smiles_Smiles

    Hey Man. You sound like a really great guy.

    She is a very lucky lady to have such a friend like you. It's great you are doing research to understand. As an ex JW female myself there is hope for the JW women. The one thing that is talked about in JW is that when a women lives it is always because of a man. Sooo with that being said there is hope.

    Being a JW can strip a person of their individual strength. The religion thinks for you and encourages you not to independently think. So it does take some time to get on your own two thinking and reasoning feet. Some want to and need a partner or a freind to help them along. Just maybe you are that person for this JW. So keep loving her unconditionally. Understand that you probably will not be able to 'prove' teachings wrong to her because sometimes those are some of the last conditionings to go. Just read this site...even though most are ex-JWs they tend to still believe "some" of the dogma of the JWs. But the love between two in a relationship can be strong enough to pull one out of the cult. Supporting her emotionally is very important. The cult keeps the mind engaged but numbs the feelings. So feeling loved by a man to her is probably an awakening of her emotionally that she can not deny.

    Also remember the guilt that is surrounding sex. That is a BIG thing for allot of JW women especially if they were raised in it and are still relatively immature experience wise. Be patient, Be unconditionally loving and give it your best shot. If she doesn't leave the JWs eventually then at least you can say you gave her a chance to experience true love and I bet she will not forget it. Even if she is not strong enough yet to stand on her own two independent feet.

    Best wishes!

  • Candlestick02
    Candlestick02

    telltruth,

    Wow. Seems VERY familiar. But then again, a lot of people have gone through a similar experience. I wholeheartedly agree with what others have posted... it's going to be one hellofa time. I was in your girlfriends position 7 years ago. I met this guy at work who was THE person for me. First I kept it a secret from him that I was a JW. (I know, I was a bad girl.) But then, when I saw that this was a for real thing, I told him. I expected to lose him right then and there, but he stood by me. Looking back now, I wonder if he would have, had he known 1st, what all the JW's believed (he was naive to it all), and 2nd and most importantly, what a toll it would take on both of us.

    We (together) went through some VERY, and I do mean excrutiatingly painful moments together (you name it, we got it thrown at us).

    I, much like probably your girlfriend feels, felt HORRIBLE about putting my boyfriend throught that. Empathize with her on that. It's beyond words difficult to be able to walk away from, or let alone allow yourself to think HONESTLY about something you've known your whole life (I think she was a 2nd or > generation JW). Plus, at this point she's probably feeling like she needs to make a decision. You or the family/friends/religion? Be prepared for these inner struggles that she'll encounter as she starts to distance herself from the org. She MAY flip-flop too. She may one minute think she needs to end things w/ you. Then she'll want to have nothing to do w/ the religion.... It's all gonna come at you two like a tidal-wave, or avelanche, or whatever else disastrous and devastating that you can think of.

    The advice that was given to you already is great. My boyfriend did the same. He always would just ask me questions. He was very intelligent and logical and MOST importantly he was coming from a place of UNCONDITIONAL love. I didn't get that within the organization, and that led me closer and closer to having a clear enough head to do some of my own investigative research on the matter.

    You'll have to let her do that too. It may not happen quickly either -- but your support and love will mean the world to her.

    Oh yeah, and I can give you the 'happy ending' too; my then boyfriend and I were married a few years ago!! I've been disassociated (unofficially) these last 7 years and couldn't be happier -- for leaving the borg yeah, but mostly for meeting my best friend, my blessing of a husband.

    One more thing (sorry): one thing that REALLY made me think was, my husband would always say 'Man, I just don't get how a religion can be so judgemental. Doesn't the Bible say 'Judge Not Lest You Not be Judged'?" Those words didn't phase me at first, but the more and more I heard them (patiently, of course) it really started to sink in.

    I wish you two nothing but the best. You're to be commended for doing all of this (already) for this girl. Hang in there & please keep us posted or keep asking questions.

    Candlestick

  • telltruth
    telltruth

    shopping for hassans' books today. will post later. wish me luck. talk to you all soon. thank you all so much.

  • telltruth
    telltruth

    shopping for hassans' books today. will post later. wish me luck. talk to you all soon. thank you all so much.

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