Did you read ..........THAT........book............... (page 5)

Mary

I read it while I was still in.........I was stunned, shocked, horrified and angry..........my first thought was "...well now I know why they don't want you reading any "apostate" literature......it's to keep you from finding out what's really going on in the Organization...."

alw

Hi - read the book after not setting foot in a Kingdom Hall for a while - problems (hypocrisy - lack of trust) - a fantastic read which brought a lot of emotions - never went back to the Kingdom Hall and it reinforced our feelings - we did not have the troof!!!!! We have both read it now and thankfully we are enjoying our family life to the hilt!!! It's great - thanks Ray for your wonderful insight into the borg!!!! Freedom without hypocrisy. alw

Ingenuous

I read both a couple months ago - borrowed from a friend.

I wasn't surprised by many of the things in CoC. I'd seen my Dad - before he stepped down as an elder and for a while afterward - slandered, back-stabbed, and lied about in letters to the Society and in the congregation by the BoE. So the abuse of others that existed "at the top" didn't shock me much. What really got me was the info on the Malawi/Mexico hypocrisy and the 607 BCE conspiracy. The blatant callousness of the "cartilla" double-standard and the fact that they knew 607 BCE was wrong really struck me.

I found ISoCF comforting, realizing many had come to conclusions similar to those I developed via my own research and that there was company to be found during my spiritual search. If I ever buy one of them, it'll be ISoCF.

SWALKER

I read it after not attending meetings for a while. My older brother, who was at Bethel with Ray, gave it to me to read. He had read it some years before. I can't believe he read it and sat on it all that time. Guess he just didn't think I was ready for it...I was shocked the most at finding out about the way the FDS carry on their meetings, and was hurt by other things mentioned. I wish I had read it earlier and would have saved myself and family a lot of slaving for a publishing company. It's a great book and I would recommend to anyone that wants to know the "truth." If you need to stay in a box, don't read!!!

Swalker

happyout

I read it after leaving. I ordered it online. It was amazing, and made me really angry. I still don't understand why my family is so devoted. I guess they need a crutch.

I remember a long, long time ago, not long after he left the borg, Ray did an interview in either Time or Newsweek. One of the points that stayed with me was his assertion that the governing body had discussed changing the meaning of the 1914 doctrine. I mean, this was back either in the late 70s or early 80s (I think) and he was right on target. If this isn't enough to convince someone to look again at what they are being taught, nothing is.

Does anyone have a copy of that Time or Newsweekk article? Now that I think about it, I would love to have it.

Happyout

enosant

Would you believe that I only heard of the existence of CoC book yesterday while following most links I got by googling 'exJWs'?!!

Haven't ordered it yet (ordered too many [non-religious] books this month already), but even after reading the blurb on amazon I thought: this is a must read!

However I read 'Who wrote the bible' in my declining years inside. It wasn't what caused me to lose my faith though. I had my own doubts that I couldn't shake off due to lack of bible proof to address them; doubts from events in my personal & other JWs lives that made me doubt whether god was interested or able to help at all (what's that saying: god help those who help themselves? so who is actually making it happen?); doubts also from reading old leather bound books that my old cong. had in its library and was amazed by the change of language and doctrine; and finaly doubts from the subtle but important changes in doctrine in my own time as a JW.

So when I remembered the title on literary criticism applied to the scriptures called 'Who wrote ..' I thought it might give me an alternative perspective from outside the Borg*. Boy did I get more than I bargained for!! The book open one's mind to the true nature of the scriptures. Mainly the old testament.

After that I read The Dead Sea Scrolls here

and The Nag Hammadi library here

both gives fantastic insight into the later writings, particularly about the times leading upto and after the first century. Again these will open the readers eyes to the meaning of the new testament and in particular the role of Paul is almost single handedly shaping what was to become christianity, which was surprisingly quite different to what the budding jewish sect around the times of 'jesus' believed.

What the moral and religious views of one man (Abram) was to the old testament & the Hebrews, Paul was to the new testament & christianity.

If you were amazed with the beauty and wisdom of some of the old testament writings, you'll find more in the Nag Hammmadi library and more besides. Haven't finished it yet. Put it down several years ago and have since lent it to a friend. I wonder if I'll see that copy again?

Anyway, 'Who wrote ..' and the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' sealed it for me. Any niggling thoughts that the Borg (or any other group) might have the Truth were vapourised and put to rest in pieces.

Enosant over and out. °} snoring {°

note: * I like the term Borg applied here. I think it is so fitting! I can just picture myself when still among the faithful with this subconscious mantra going on in my head: [at meets, assemblies etc ..] I am Borg. I am part of the collective. We think as one[or should that be: we think the thoughts of one (GB) | we think the thoughts of someone else]. We are Borg. [And in the field] You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Resist and you will be destroyed! [why was Seven of Nine not in my cong?! ;-(]

** Hang on a minute! May be person who came up with the idea of the Borg did base it on the organisation model or similar and setting it up as a mirror to their nature?

***Suggested analogies for Borg implants and nano-probes anyone?

Soledad

I ordered the book about 7 years ago. I was slowly fading at that point.

After the first 6 chapters, I was no longer slowly fading. I kicked the WTS to the curb.

CyrusThePersian

Yes. I read it. It was back in the mid nineties I think, because I was having doubts about the 1914 generation change already (that was in Nov. 1995). I found it at the Zondervan book store when I went in there to buy a copy of the New International Version Bible for my library. I was an elder at the time. What I read shocked and amazed me. The Mexico-Malawi situation, 1975, the shabby treatment that Ray Franz received, being practically railroaded out of the organization. It suprised me, but it still rang true . Everything he wrote sounded familiar, like it could have happened in my congregation. I wanted to confront my fellow elders-tell them what I had learned, maybe save them if I could...but I didn't. I chickened out. I didn't want to get disfellowshipped. So I just...faded...away. This book is profound. Read it, I urge you. You will not regret it!

CyrusThePersian

cyd0099

Not yet, still trying to find it usedin town. I can't buy it online

Miss_MG

After I read that book it all made so much sence

Did you read ..........THAT........book...............

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