YOU THINK LIKE A JW !!!

by Prisca 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • GodRules
    GodRules

    "You think like a JW", this is really a dumb comment. We could turn it around and say "You think like an apostate". What really is that? We all have brains and they work. We could also say "You think like an American". Is that good? Does that make the person an idiot? Of course he is going to be influenced by American thinking, if he lives in the U.S. But, it doesn't mean that he doesn't have a mind of his own. We all influenced by our surroundings.

    So what does it mean to think like a JW? I personally believe it to be a compliment. I do think like one of Jehovah's Witnesses that is following in the footsteps of my lord, Jesus Christ. I do think like a follower of Jehovah and believe he is the creator of all things. I make a sincere effort to think like Jehovah does and see things from his perspective. This of course is very difficult, but I try.

    I don't know if all Witnesses think as I do, but this is what I believe.

    Peace to all. GodRules!

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Prisca,

    I'll be bold enough to say you might be addressing one of my responses from another thread. If I'm wrong, please excuse me. If I'm correct, you know which one I'm talking about. I think Trevor made an excellent point:

    A normal mind will listen to all the facts and then form an opinion. Witnesses will not allow the facts into their minds, either by walking away from the attempted breach of the wall or letting the wall prevent the attempted intrusion. As far as they are concerned they already have all the facts and their commission is to convince you that they have the truth.

    The thing I STILL struggle with as an ex-JW is not forming an opinion too quickly. Thinking I have ALL the facts because of my experiences only. How narrow-minded and self-absorbed can I get?! For instance, just because child-molestation within the WTS didn't happen to me, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That would be pretty selfish, right?

    Take posting on this board for example. Kent posts an article with his usual "colorful" style. Yes, they are laced with profanities, BOLD LETTERS, exclamation points and sometimes rudeness. My first question after reading it is, "What is the message? What are the FACTS that he is trying to convey to me?"

    Other questions I ask myself:

    Am I the only one involved in this situation?
    If not, how are others affected?
    What are others reactions to this situation?
    What is their perspective?
    Why are they reacting that way?
    What is in their background to form their opinion?
    Is the delivery of a message skewed because of their personal opinion?
    Does my opinion matter?
    Am I giving it to share a differing perspective or am I doing it just to stir the pot?

    Of course, I don't physically go down this list everytime I read a controversial post. But separating fact from emotion is imperative for me to GET THE MESSAGE. If I let my personal opinions about profanity or BOLD LETTERS get in the way, then I may miss out on facts or information that I need to be aware of. Do I want to be close-minded like that? My answer is no.

    I have been in and out of therapy for over 10 years to de-program my JW mentality. (JW viewpoint = "My viewpoint is the ONLY viewpoint that's valid.") Am I officially de-programmed today? No. Prolly won't happen. But damn, I'm going to work my butt off the best I can! What does that mean now? I listen to all the viewpoints. I search for facts. I form my opinion, which can change if I get more information. I DON'T necessarily always feel a need to share my opinion. (Sometimes that does more damage than good. Besides, does anybody else really want my opinion?) And then let time prove to me what is "truth".

    Andi - breaking down my "wall" brick by brick

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    >So what does it mean to think like a JW? I personally believe it to be a compliment. I do think like one of Jehovah's Witnesses that is following in the footsteps of my lord, Jesus Christ.

    However, it can be easily proven that JWs have no idea what 'following in the footsteps of Jesus' means. What you are doing is following in the footsteps of your rulers in Brooklyn. My post to Yarirf from a few days ago dealt with the issue of how twisted the shifting sands theology of the Watchtower is.

    >I do think like a follower of Jehovah and believe he is the creator of all things. I make a sincere effort to think like Jehovah does and see things from his perspective. This of course is very difficult, but I try.

    Your 'Jehovah' is not the God of the Bible. You have him fitted with your rationalist staitjacket. You deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. You probably don't understand the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are 'Jehovah'.
    You need to explore some of the sites that show why the belief systems of Christianity are Biblical and as they were in 42 a.d.
    Rex

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    Prisca:

    All I can say is that now you know what I have dealt with for the past few weeks.

    On a more positive note, one shitslinger (or more) made some sort of reference which seemed to indicate you were Single. True/false? Looking? Your geography?

    Give 'em hell!!!

  • crossroads
    crossroads

    Just wanted to say hi to our lovely lady from down under,
    "I do believe, I do I do I do"
    Hope your having a wonderful day ,
    Peace and Love---------Mark

  • GodRules
    GodRules

    Rex:

    However, it can be easily proven that JWs have no idea what 'following in the footsteps of Jesus' means.

    You've got to be kidding me. I am following in the footsteps of my Lord.

    What you are doing is following in the footsteps of your rulers in Brooklyn.

    I do not follow their footsteps, but I do follow their example of faitfulness and wholehearted service to Jehovah and his reigning King, Jesus Christ.

    Your 'Jehovah' is not the God of the Bible.

    What? Jehovah is God Almighty, Creator of all things. No confusion there.

    You probably don't understand the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are 'Jehovah'.

    I believe it is you that don't understand. If you can't even acknowledge that Jehovah is God Almight, that Jesus is his firstborn, and that the Holy Spirit is his force, then you're faith is as thin as air.

    GodRules!

  • TMS
    TMS

    Prisca.

    Some current threads reflect a JW mentality, the concept of "proving by references" a religious point so convincingly that the person expressing the opposing view acquiesces. This so rarely happens in real life that it is almost an absurdity.

    I realize the combatants are actually playing to a larger audience. but their efforts are no less futile than a JW trying to convince a Pentecostal that "tongues have ceased".

    TMS

  • Kent
    Kent
    We all have brains and they work.

    Why don't you prove it, GodRules?

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    "The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • larc
    larc

    Hi folks,

    I seems to me that all of us are flexible in our thinking until it comes to particular topics. When these are brought up, neither person will change their opinion, no matter what the facts and arguements are from the other side. I don't see it as a JW, not JW thing, but more of a human thing. I see this, not only here, but down at the local tavern as well. Here are some topics that have been brought up, where long threads have been generated with no common conclusion:

    1. Abortion
    2. Capital Punishiment.
    3. Use of the F word.
    4. The degree of racism in the U.S.
    5. Democrates vs. Republicans.
    6. Theism vs. Atheism

    All of these subjects generate a lot of heat, but very little light.

    Larc - very humble, and always right -)

  • Vienna
    Vienna

    GodRules:

    I understand how you feel about your faith, but until you are ready to take an honest, factual and biblical look at the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses versus Christianity, then discussions such as these go no where. Rex had mentioned some good points.

    Think about it, logically: If Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true witnesses for God, and if the Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization came into being in the late 19th century (which is a historical fact), does that mean that mean God was without a witness for over 18 centuries of church history? That can't be, because that goes against what Jesus said, "I am with you always, until the end of the age."

    So keeping with this logic, if one cannot understand the Bible without WT literature as they claim, then apparently people could not understand the Bible for 19 centuries--not true. God would not give His people a Bible with no means of understanding it. People had an understanding of the Bible PRIOR to the existance of the WT, so therefore you have to acknowledge that WT beliefs, doctrines and theology sprang from one man who strayed from the normal beliefs of Christainity. He started his own belief system that was not passed down from the days of Christ on earth. My point being, you owe it to yourself to investigate what the differances are between JW and Christianity in light of the Bible.

    Do you believe the Bereans were right to test the apostle Pauls teachings by Scripture?

    Do you believe followers of God should obey the instruction in 1 Thel. 5:21 to test all things?

    Do you you believe followers of God should obey the instruction in 2 Cor. 13:5 and test whether they are "in the faith"?

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