Where is their Scriptural proof?

by Honesty 27 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Sad emo

  Now What?:

  Christ himself defined the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:31-32 - as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and he said it would not be forgiven ever.

  Within context, I see the unforgivable sin as either a denial of the Holy Spirit's power or attributing it to Satan. If we deny the power of the Holy Spirit, we deny him any access to our lives - including the power to convict us of our sin - so we effectively put ourselves outside of God's mercy (and send ourselves to hell?).

  So gehenna's only going to contain those who want to be there (I think C.S. Lewis said something like that too)

  Like you, I don't get how witnesses say such people won't be resurrected, Hebrews 9:27 says that man dies once and then judgement follows, nobody bypasses judgement. Wouldn't they have to be resurrected to face judgement?

  ps I didn't think you were being antagonistic. It's probably the way I reply that's the problem
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  Cygnus

  Interesting. I guess I stand corrected. The teachings are worse than I thought.
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  greendawn

  This false teaching is calculated to intimidate and restrain the R&F from being rebelious, disobedient, and leaving the org, along with the fear of losing loved ones right away upon being disfellowshipped/disassociated. One works on the long term and the other on the short term basis.
  
  It is one more lie within the "truth" that was carefully formulated to protect the interests of this multinational multi billion corporation. Certainly not inspired by the Spirit but human cunning.
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  Now What?

  Thanks so much for that above reply Sad Emo. I really do mean that. The unforgivable sin is something that I have been going round and round about with some of "the friends" lately and I was starting to think maybe I was totally out in left field on that. So I found your post very encouraging. It's posts such as that, that really help me break away from witnessology.

  I would still like to see Def'd expound more fully on the reasoning of the wt though. Not to be picking on ya Def'd, but you still seem to understand the wt logic. I seem to no longer possess the ability to do so, so hoping you can clarify.
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  architect

  The bottom line is not sinning against the holy spirit..Yet if JW's is not the TRUE religion where is?

  Since Jehovah wants to be worshipped would he accept us no matter where we worship? Its hard to believe he would!
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  Now What?

  Hi Architect and welcome!

  Since Jehovah wants to be worshipped would he accept us no matter where we worship? Its hard to believe he would!

  (highlight mine) Why not? I can not comprehend why he wouldn't!

  My paradigm on this:

  God is Love, and all good things come from God.

  So therefore what a person experiences by means of love or goodness has God present and active, even if the person doesn't explicitly seek that origin. So two pagans, muslim, (insert any non-christian type here) that have love amongst themselves has both God and Christ present, even if they don't explicitly know Christ. By the act of love/goodness that they do, they are implicitly imitating God and Christ, which is more than what many self-proclaimed 'Christians' explicitly do.

  In short, there are atheists and Wiccan on this board that have expressed genuine compassion for people troubled and hurt. To say that their love is void of value (outside the accepted manner ot worship, and thereby being outside of God's love) because it doesn't fit a particular worship "script" is absurd.

  This is why I still stick to my guns of a full resurrection for everybody, including the salvation of many that don't explicitly accept Christ but have done so implicitly by exercising love and living just lives.

  On a positive note, I am glad that you are here Architect. I would still like to see some reasoning/scriptural proof behind the philosophy of a limited resurrection.

  NW?
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  Sad emo

  Hi architect, welcome to the board

  you said:

  Since Jehovah wants to be worshipped would he accept us no matter where we worship? Its hard to believe he would!

  but this is exactly what Jesus was addressing when he spoke with the Samaritan woman:

  20 .	"Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship."
  21 .	Jesus *said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
  22 .	"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
  23 .	"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
  24 .	"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:20-24, NASB It doesn't matter where we worship Jehovah - what matters is the sincerity of our heart when we do worship, and worship isn't only about prayers, religious rites and the like, it's how we live our lives. What would happen for example if someone worships Jehovah but isn't able to get to a KH/church building - will Jehovah reject his worship? No! By the same extension, I would agree with Now What? that Jehovah accepts the worship of non-Christians also ie in the way they live their lives even though they might not be aware that they are worshipping. (Well put Now What?! It's often hard to explain!) Would Jehovah refuse any such people a Resurrection in order to 'stand trial'? I doubt it, He would not be a just judge if He refused *even* the guilty a fair trial - remember in His eyes we are ALL guilty!! 'The amazing thing about grace is that it's just not fair' - Relient K.
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  Honesty

  he can thus die for such sin that is beyond coverage by the ransom.

  So, we can can be greater than Christ since we can sin greater than what he can heal?!?!?

  Def'd or Scholar please address this for us.

  
  
  *edited to add reference: it-2 Resurrection, p791-792

  We all have it so wrong!! The Watchtower Babble and Trick Society is going to take their rightful place as mediator between God and mankind and stand before God in judgement for all the loyal and faithful followers of the WTBTS.The organisation is going to be responsible for each individual JW. It is only those outside of the organisation that will have to be individually accountable to God.

  OK defd and scholar. Have I got it right, so far?

  P.S. It's all so clear now.