Prayer??? Real or just something we fool ourselves with!

by free2beme 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • free2beme
    free2beme

    I was thinking about this today and I found a interesting thought in my mind that I thought would be worth considering here. I should start off by saying that I do not think prayers to God are answered, as it is like making a call to a wrong number. However, I do think you can fool yourself into thinking they are, in the following way.

    Let's say you pray over and over asking for this and that and that. You feel that is something you need or want and you pray with all your heart for it. Nothing happens and soon your praying for something else, again nothing happens. Then you pray again, and by chance something happens. Rather then seeing the items that never happened, you see the items that do and you build your faith and say God answered your prayer. Rather then understanding the odds, that if you ask for enough things time and time again, your bound to have one happen and that is not proof of prayer, but rather proof of the power of "chance." Basically, if you roll the dice and say it will show six, if you roll enough ... your will get a six. This does not mean you have ESP.

    Wait, I hear the thought already, "sometimes God knows better then us and knows what we need." That is a wonderful excuse, as it allows you to excuse the fact that your prayers are not being answered, and yet still have faith. In reality though, your just making a conscience excuse for a subconscious doubt surfacing.

    This is why, prayer, no matter what religion you belong to, will always have a percentage of success.

    Prayer though does have another power that has nothing to do with god and actually evolved from early form of Pagan practices that actually had more meaning with how it affected you and your subconscious self and connection to all life. When it became about some higher God being, it became less powerful and for personal change and became more about putting everything upon a mythological God that evolved out of Mediterranean legends.

    The lack of logic in prayer ...

    "If God knows everything about you, why does he not hear prayer without the magic "AMEN" word"

    "If everything is "in Jesus name" then why would God not know this every time and require that your keep reminding him"

    "If God knows your needs, without prayer, why pray?"

    "If you pray out loud, doesn't the Devil hear you too and if so, isn't that like aiding information to the enemy?"

    ... can you think of more, pray about it first.

  • Legolas
    Legolas

    LMAO!!!!

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien

    nice write up free2beme!

    prayer is real. yes, you heard me, it is real.

    a real joke.

    i always wondered why, if god is omniscient (all knowing), why we have to pray? even if we want something subconsciously he should answer our prayers. if he loved us, we would have abundant, empirical evidence that prayers are answered.

    it's so odd that he is SO SILENT. hmmm, either he's a sadistic idiot, or he doesn't exist. i can;t think of many more ideas that fit the data.

    however, if any of you ever want to pray to me, i DO answer prayers. ask for anything, thank me for anything. i'll be honest up front, i cannot fulfill all of them, but i do answer them all. you don't have to end with amen. just send an email prayer to [email protected]

    i answer all prayers. so, feel free.

    tetragod.

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    A year ago I would have agreed with you.

  • peggy
    peggy

    I haven't heard a worthwhile prayer in years!!! No offense to my ex-husband, who occasionally reads the forum, but I knew exactly what he would say at the family dinner table in prayer. EXACTLY! I cringed at his prayers at the end. It was painful. Prayer at the kingdom hall is the same way. Boring, unmoving, rote! If I am bored, is GOD?

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    My prayer is real, silent (unless asked for by someone else), nearly continuous, and never closed with "Amen." I believe God understands that I agree with what I just prayed whether or not I state that to be true.

    Am I a fool? Probably.

    AuldSoul

  • free2beme
    free2beme

    I used to think the "in Jesus name" part of prayer was like licking the stamp and placing it on the envelope. Without postage paid, it came back return to sender.

  • fairchild
    fairchild

    When I was very young, maybe 10 years old, I asked both a nun and a priest the same question.. What if I want to go swimming tomorrow and I pray for good weather, and my neighbor who is a farmer really needs the rain for his crops to grow and he prays just as hard as I do.. who will God listen to?

    One of them answered.. He will not listen to either one of you. Prayer is just meant to make your own faith stronger.

    Boy, have I prayed in my lifetime, oh have I prayed.. over and over and over again. I do not feel as if my prayers were answered, ever.. The JWs told me perhaps I was praying for the wrong things.. later they told me my prayers didn't get through because I was a smoker.

    If I pray for my neighbor who currently has throat cancer and he gets better, does that mean that my prayer was answered, or would he have gotten better anyways?

    I truly and deeply admire people who can pray with their whole hear, convinced that someone up there is listening. I am not one of them, not anymore. I think it is a gift.

    *bows to tetragod*

  • Nate Merit
    Nate Merit

    Depends upon whom you think you are praying to. A personal God? No such being. You might as well pray to your sofa or your goldfish.

    "Prayer" to your own innermost being (whether understood psychologically or metaphysically), now thats a good idea. Prayers in the form of Positive Affirmations can make a real difference in your inner life, which can manifest as positive changes in your outer life.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I agree w you, nate. The following may be the same thing: a person in sync w the universe (or some parts of it) can ask/demand/will something, and it happens. That is an extrapolation based on my own experience, when i did that a couple of yrs ago. I think i did a thread on that. I don't think that beliefs or disbeliefs of the synced person affect the results.

    S

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