Jehovah's Witnesses Deserve To Be Persecuted (page 3)

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I think I've been clear that my concern is about:

1) fraud

2) deliberate breakup of families

To the degree that Witnesses support those two items, "persecution" is justified. How could it be otherwise?

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bull01lay

Banned - maybe so, but wouldn't that just intensify / justify their ministry ?

Expelled - Not sure what you mean by this...

Taxed - Maybe it would hit the WTBTS where it hurts, but not your average Jdub. What difference do you see this would make ? Personally, I think it would come under oppression, which really comes under the larger umbrella of Banned, which I think would just serve to make them feel even more justified in their work.

Persecuted - Absolutely not!

Bull!

Eyebrow2

if you are going to ban the JWs you have to ban all the religions. What is that called in the US...oh, FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

I for one, think it would be a waste of time. don't give them a reason to make themselves look like martyrs.

Now, taking away the tax credit is a good idea, unless they would do some real charitable work. I do agree with that.

I know many have been adversely affected by this religion, and I don't mean any offense, I really don't. But I find this kind of talk so extreme, to be, well almost JW like.

For those who want to protest the religion...keep doing that. Spread the good news about how wierd they really are. But the government stepping in is not going to shut down the faith.

The crumble would have to be from within.

bull01lay

I know many have been adversely affected by this religion, and I don't mean any offense, I really don't. But I find this kind of talk so extreme, to be, well almost JW like.

My sentiments exactly, eyebrow2!

Bull!

Finally-Free

Persecuted - Absolutely not!

Depends on whose definition of persecution you're using. Should they be rounded up and put in concentration camps? Definitely not! But the JW definition of persecution includes any manner of disagreement. My ex used to accuse me of "attacking" her if I as much as said I disagreed with the watchtower on anything. She said many times, "When you attack the watchtower you're attacking me!" All I had to do was say I didn't believe in Noah's flood and I would be accused of "attacking" or "persecuting" her. Yet when she called the locksmith and illegally changed the locks to keep me out of my own home, and called police when I came by to get my belongings I was not being persecuted for my disbelief.

I think all religions and cults should be subject to government scrutiny. If they are a "charitible" organization they should be obligated to provide evidence of their charitible work - and I don't mean transferring money back and forth between their various corporations. People should have freedom of religion, but not the freedom to impose their beliefs on others. Baptism of minors should be prohibited. Any form of physical, emotional, sexual, or spiritual abuse should be punished severely.

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Expelled - missionaries sent home.

Banned - until certain human rights standards are met. No legal recognition, no holding property by associated corporations

Taxed! - this one is the best of all! It hits them in an area that gets their attention - money! Again, this could be

conditional, based on metered contributions to general society. No hospital, no soup kitchen, damaging families, defrauding

the public, - time to pay up. Why should the rest of us pay for these pernicious freeloaders?

Persecuted - subject to denigration and rejection based on continuing contempt for human rights and deliberate fraud.

Done, with a moral basis behind it, this will hurt them in ways that opposing Hitler never could.

Gilbert and Sullivan had it right:

"let the punishment fit the crime"

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ColdRedRain

You're a fucking nut, you know that? You're advocating the quashing of a religion by a government. It could lead to nothing but bad things if we try to encourage state-sponsored religious elimination.

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Since many of you apparently lack imagination, I can offer some examples of how religion - and Witnesses in particular -

ought to be treated.

Judge: I've decided that the class action suit against the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society can proceed.

Watchtower Lawyer-Vermin: But Your Honor, I must protest - this is a violation of the first amendment!

Judge: You are a corporation representing a religion. Why is it you believe you have special rights above all other

corporations? Do you believe the 1st amendment gives you a free pass on fraud?

WTS legal weasel: The state has no authority to judge or regulate religious belief.

Judge: We agree with that - but you are a corporation. Every day, corporations release earnings statements

- for example- and they are careful to avoid fraud in what they promise. Why should you be

above the law in this?

WTS legal rodent: Witnesses have freely joined this organization - and can freely leave. There is no contract.

Judge: Contract or not, fraud is not permitted. Promises were made and not kept. The state subsidizes your

enterprize by tax exemption and expects a minimum standard of corporate behavior. Charities are not

permitted to defraud the public, contract or not. My decision is final.

or how about this:

State senator: Our tax base is eroding and the voters won't take anymore tax increases.

Advisor: I've got an idea - perhaps, whose time has come - The Fair Tax

State senator: What's that?

Advisor: Tax rolls are shrinking because so much property is owned by tax exempt groups - yet, these same groups

expect police and fire protection like everyone else - that isn't fair. They should pay a minimum tax for these

services.

State senator: Is there any legal precedent for this?

Advisor: Well, yes - churches and Kingdom Halls in our area have already paid various sewer assessments without

protest. They can't claim they haven't accepted some taxes on their property, in principle.

or how about this:

WTS legal whore: These persecutions of our people in former Soviet territories are awful. Can't you help us?

UN/Amnesty Intn'l/ European Union: Yes, they are awful - and we'd like to talk to you about this. There's a problem, you see.

WTS legal rodent: Problem?

UN/ Human Rights Type: Yes, we can't help you if your organization displays such blatant disregard for human rights.

WTS parasite: Human rights? What human rights?

does that make it any clearer for you?

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Did you like those? Here's another:

Brother Hardnasty: Bob, you look terrible! What happened?

Brother Feddup: I don't want to talk about it.

Brother Hardnasty: Look, next time we'll give you an easier judicial assignment. How could we know that Brother

Volatile would go ballistic on you guys?

Brother Feddup: No! There isn't going to be a next time! I don't have health insurance and I can't afford any new dental work

after that brawl!

Brother Hardnasty: Trust in Jehovah, brother. He appreciates your sacrifice.

Brother Feddup: ... and I can't afford to pay a lawyer for these lawsuits, either. I have a wife and kids to support!

Brother Hardnasty: Brother, the congregation is looking at you an example. You've done a fine job as a fellow elder

Don't quit on us.

Brother Feddup: Are you even listening to me? I can't take this anymore!

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