Of Late Many Here Seem To Be Preaching Aethiesm..

Qcmbr

When I first came here a while back there was plenty of discussion around and about JW topics and general chit chat but of late I've felt quite a sharp increase in posts that are:

1/ Preaching aethism (as opposed to putting it forward in a respectful way as an alternate viewpoint.)
2/ Vitriolic attacks on those who dare have another view ('damn those stupid heretical believers')
3/ General back slapping and self congratulatory brown nosing amongst those within this godless dogma.
4/ A new 'leadership' within this cult of disbelief who take turns spewing hate / disdain and boasting about their cleverness and the idiocy of anyone not laughing and pointing fingers with them. I find it interesting that there is a new pied piper who dances between the camp of believers and non-believers weaving populist mockery around and is loving himself beyond belief under his cloak of scholarly wisdom (well done Shining One for taking him to task - I agree with you 100%)

One thing that makes me sad about here is that the professed friendliness of many here is sadly revealed as an utter sham (unless you agree with them) and those who use this place as an excuse to bully, call names and wallow in their own crapulence soon reveal their real 'loving' side as soon as a anyone dares disagree. I think that most here are still genuine, nice people bonding together well after a shared trauma but there are some real loud shouters here who have altered the feel in the air IMO.

I've been stewing over how my enjoyment in posting and chatting here has gone and been replaced by feelings of hurt and uncomfortableness - I really hope that its me who is at fault here (ie no one else is feeling this). If so ignore the above, I apologise for speaking out of turn and I'll fade away. I don't need to take abusive in my free time.

stillajwexelder

When people see others butchering others and terrorism and huge deaths in Natural Disasters - and The Anglo-American world power bombing people in Iraq - and suicide bombers etc,. etc. the argument is "How the f--- can there be a God?"

ithinkisee

Well, I actually am quite interested in some of the atheist viewpoints. But, I must admit that it bothers me when I post a topic about how JWs butchered the bible, or how JWs are not truly Christian at all, and some of the atheists just start yelling "fundie" and how I'm ignorant and stuff. Or they just post that "religion is all a sham" and then run away. Or they end up hijacking the thread and it becomes a completely different thread than was intended.

It bothers me because - while I might not disagree with them - that is NOT the point of my post. Many times I ask JW specific posts relating to Christianity, or the deity of Christ, because I want to use the information to pull other JWs out. Instead, my post quite often gets pissed on by certain atheist JWD members. Now I often preface my posts with a disclaimer, like, "Atheists/Agnostics/Evolutionists please do not post on this thread."

There are some of you atheists on this board that already know I'm not talking about YOU - so I won't reiterate again.

Although I must say Qcmbr, I'm not much of a Mormon fan either.

-ithinkisee

nicolaou

Qcmbr

I agree with the need to keep posts respectful and avoid vitriol. No one should "spew hate/disdain and boast about their cleverness and the idiocy of anyone not laughing and pointing fingers with them"

To that end may I remind you of one of your own postings?

All the things that hold families together are given by religion.

Without a belief in God there would be no such concept as marriage (it becomes a bit of paper) indeed we see secular society broadening the definition of marriage to include gays and at the same time downgrading it from a promise made in the presence of God's representatives to a civil union merely for legal purposes of division of assets. Children are not given the privilege of married parents as a right (the normal condition under religious society) and instead we see schools / government and fringe liberals pushing the agenda of disparate families tied by no more than some shared dna and a dalliance with no commitment.

Without a belief in God we are left with the concept of evolution as our God and the Nazis are proved right - a pure species where the mighty rule the weak becomes desirable because nature demands it. It becomes required to destroy the non-providers, the parasites , the physically unable because we are just animals and survival of the pack demands the cull of the burdensome. As soon as someone is born with an 'evolutionary advantage' (skin color, physical strength, good looks etc..) it becomes beholden to propogate their advantage as far and as wide as possible and to ensure those genes survive.

Without a belief in God we must go to war with other races because they are using resources that should be ours - every foreigner mining, burning, eating, living is a threat. Wars such as Iraq are necessary without God - if we are threatened for any reason we must strike when we are sure of winning.

Without a belief in God their is no such thing as love, altruism, charity, sacrifice, committment, beauty etc.. these are all just a madness of the brain, chemical messages and chemical messages do not find soul mates, create art, write poetry or conceptualise feelings. We are all just brute animals suffering a collective madness that makes us thing we are unique individuals having feelings.

Without a belief in God you are my enemy and I owe you nothing, you are not my brother and sister and when your back is turned I should destroy you as fast as possible until such a time as there are few enough humans so that I can consume without being dsturbed.

The communists outgrew God - now the West is gladly following them. Well I'll stand with the few last belivers and watch the end.

Emphasis added I responded to you about this once before [ http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/90447/1523393/post.ashx#1523393 ] I won't bother again. Personally, I see the growth of acceptance of atheism amongst former Jehovah's Witnesses to be a natural and welcome maturing of one's outlook on life. Nic'

GetBusyLiving

Qcmbr you gotta realize man that most ex-Dubs have got the lowest possible tolerance for unprovable beliefs than probably any other group of people. We've taken it in the ass for too many years and it seriously makes a lot of us nausious to even read an account of someone bobble-headedly yapping about ANOTHER heap of unprovable make believe. And atheism is spelt 'atheism'.

Although I would like to say im sorry for a harsh comment I made to you recently about the mormons.. I was reading an account about JW shunning in another thread that really pissed me off and I carried it over to your thread a while ago.. seriously, sorry bout that.

GBL

TopHat

Qcmbr, I was just thinking the same thing today...only when I came here a month ago the Athiest were already here and I was attacked promply by one of them. If it hadn't of been for Lady Lee the mod. I would have left and never come back. Then I would have NOT known about the Malawi/Mexico, Pedophlies or the UN issue which woke me up to the WTS crapola.

Qcmbr

Nic - I think you just misinterpreted my previous post - I was saying that these lines of thought can lead to these extremes however - does finding a post of mine that can be (mis)construed as also under this category invalidate what I said? I certainly am no angel and have often had to publically apologise.

AuldSoul

I agree, Qcmbr.

In my opinion, a forum reputation of indoctrination on atheism does little to aid the departure of sincere Witnesses and creates a high probability of running a lot of would be departers away. I hope the forum never turns that direction, its usefulness in waking up Witnesses would be damaged.

Sometimes I wish those who have grown beyond needing God would be more forebearing with those who haven't yet achieved their "enlightened" state. Rough poking at people's belief in God can be harmful to them and is at the very least a cruel unkindness.

AuldSoul

nicolaou

Okay, I don't want to 'get into one' with you over an old thread. So . . what's the problem with an increase in atheist posting? It's simply another point of view to throw into the mix. Athiesm simply makes more sense than irrational belief. Reason over faith.

nicolaou

Sometimes I wish those who have grown beyond needing God would be more forebearing with those who haven't yet achieved their "enlightened" state. Rough poking at people's belief in God can be harmful to them and is at the very least a cruel unkindness.

I agree absolutely and would be happy to be smacked over the head by anyone if I fall short in this.

Of Late Many Here Seem To Be Preaching Aethiesm..

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