How do you know Satan didn't write the Bible?

seattleniceguy

The standard Christian story on the Bible is that God wrote it to let us humans know what's going on, lay down some rules, and tell us how to get saved from our pitiful state. As everyone knows, I don't buy any portion of this. But I have a question for the believers.
If Satan is out to deceive people, what makes you sure that he didn't write that Bible itself as part of his master plan? I mean, maybe he wrote it, along with all the other holy books, knowing that humans would require a multiplicity of religions - kind of a "flood the marketplace" strategy. Maybe his plan is enjoying amazing success right now, and the only ones that *aren't* being misled are the totally non-religious ones (although, sadly, they aren't aware of Satan's existence).
I'm curious as to how you would respond to this possibility.
SNG

Mysterious

Certainly I agree that you're right, there is no way to prove that Satan didn't write the bible as part of his master plan. And it seems to have accomplished a lot in terms of all the religious based strife and conflict in the world. If his intent was to create conflict then religion as proved a most effective tool in doing so.

Of course there is also the possiblity that god and satan belong to the same country club and are simply a good cop bad cop sort of couple. There is a novel out there, Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett, that has a friendship with two angels (albeit not their masters) along those same lines.

Narkissos

Satan as the inventor of monotheism which would secure his existence? Makes sense...

seattleniceguy

>> Of course there is also the possiblity that god and satan belong to the same country club and are simply a good cop bad cop sort of couple. There is a novel out there, Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett, that has a friendship with two angels (albeit not their masters) along those same lines.
Certainly, if indeed this concept was true, I think we could expect that the real author of the Bible would be different from either the God or Satan depicted in it. Basically, the Bible would have just been one of many books meant to trick people into obeying him.
SNG

Mysterious

Or maybe some long dead group of very mortal humans would certainly get their jollies out of knowing just how much zealots get out of their writings.

dedpoet

Interesting thought sng, and of course we don't know, he could have done. We know he is an author - he's been writing the wts books and mags for over 120 years

thinker

There's an old saying that says, "Seeing is believing." Has anyone actually seen God? Some parts of the bible say that some men have spoken to God "face to face" and elsewhere it says that no man may see God and live (Ex33:20). Ask any JW about this and they'll tell you that no one can see God and live, and that all those prophets who are said to have talked to God or seen God, actually saw one of God's angels.

"Wait just a minute", you say, " I know a little bit about the bible and Paul said that Satan can transform himself into an angel of light" (2Cor11:14). How do we know those prophets of old weren't being deceived by Satan in the form of one of God's angels? Didn't John say that Satan has deceived the whole world? Doesn't Matt 24:24 say that even the "chosen ones" can be misled? Surely we need to study this carefully to determine the truth. Isn't that what John said to do (John4:1)?

Let's take a look at Satan in the bible. He's found from first book to the last book of the bible. In both the first and the last he takes the appearance of a serpent (Gen 3, Rev 12). In Genesis, Satan (as the serpent) causes the fall of man and God says to the serpent, "you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild beasts of the field" (Gen 3:14). This was the only animal ever cursed by God. Isn't it strange then that Moses performed magic in Egypt with the only animal God ever cursed, a serpent? (Ex 4:2-4). In fact, Moses seems to have had a real love for serpents. He even had his priests make a bronze serpent idol and placed it on a staff. According to the Insight Book the Israelites fell into false and pagan worship of that serpent idol for over 300 years! Do you really think someone like that was talking to and seeing one of God's angels?

Could Satan really have fooled Moses? Well, Moses was just an imperfect man so it's certainly possible. And just because a few 'miracles' occured doesn't really prove it wasn't Satan. In 2Thes2:9 it says Satan uses deception and has the ability to perform "powerful works, lying signs, and portents". Portents are signs of something about to happen; similar to a prophesy.

So far this is just circumstantial evidence. Let's see if we can find something more definite in the bible. Look at 2Peter 2:2 "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people..." This clearly says that the people (Israelites) had false prophets among them. But wouldn't the Jews have rejected the false prophets and not included them in the bible? Jesus's own words provide us with the answer: ""Woe, whenever all men speak well of YOU , for things like these are what their forefathers did to the false prophets."(Luke 6:26). The false prophets weren't rejected; they were highly regarded!

Read Genesis 15:8-17 concerning Abraham's covenant with his 'god' and tell me if it sounds like a Satanic ritual: cut up the dead animals, separate the halves and have your 'god' walk between the bloody pieces in the form of a dark, smoky cloud with a burning ember at it's center. Doesn't that sound like something Satan would enjoy?

You may still find it hard to believe that Satan fooled some of the people in the bible, but there is a clear statement from Jesus that tells us it's true. One day a number of pious Jews came to the Temple to talk with Jesus. These people had followed their religion to the best of their ability as their prophets and priests had instructed them. They said to Jesus, "We were not born from fornication; we have one Father, God". And Jesus replied to them, "YOU are from YOUR father the Devil..." (John 8:31-44). These people clearly thought they were following God, but Jesus said they'd been deceived by Satan. How much more proof do you need that Satan has put his own lies right inside the bible in order to trick the whole world into worshipping him rather than God? I suggest you follow John's advice and "do not believe every inspired expression" (even if you find it in the bible), "but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God" (that is, test it against your own conscience), "because many false prophets have gone forth into the world." And some of them made it into the bible, a book compiled by imperfect men.

Here's more proof that Abraham's 'god' was really Satan: In Gen 15:13 Abraham's 'god' says: "You may know for sure that your seed will become an alien resident in a land not theirs, and they will have to serve them, and these will certainly afflict them for four hundred years." Actual time the Israelites spent in Egypt (based on chronology) was 215 years. A false prophesy from Satan posing as god.

Still not convinced? Look at the two accounts of David's census:

2 Samuel 24:1 "And again the anger of Jehovah came to be hot against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying: "Go, take a count of Israel and Judah."

1 Chronicles 21:1 "And Satan proceeded to stand up against Israel and to incite David to number Israel."

Was it Jehovah or was it Satan? Both accounts are accurate because by that time the Israelite's 'god' WAS Satan.

Eventually, Satan decided to choose his 'priests'. Israelite priests were decendents of Levi. Levi's father was Jacob and Levi had a sister named Dinah. In Gen 34:1-2 Dinah is raped by a canaanite called Hamor. In accordance with jewish law as described at Deu 22:28-29, Hamor's son offers to marry Dinah and Hamor offers not only the prescribed fine of 50 pieces of silver, but any price that Jacob will name.

How does Levi, the father of all future priests, react to this act of lawful obedience by Hamor? Levi and his brother Simeon lie to Hamor (Gen 34:25) causing all the canaanite males of the city to be circumcised. Then they kill all the males of the town (Gen 34:25) before they can recover their strength. Years later their father Jacob still remembers this horrible crime and curses Levi and Simeon (Gen 49:5-7).

So there you have the father of the priestly line chosen by Satan. Levi was cursed by his own father as a law-breaker, a liar, and a mass-murderer. A fitting choice for Satan's priestly line.

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How do you know Satan didn't write the Bible?

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